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#1 12 MAY 2011 at 2:54pm
Martok Colonel Posts : 4018 Joined: 4 JUN 2005 Location: US, Minnesota Status : Offline	Since apparently the game is now only about a month away from release, Pocus is putting up daily posts discussing VoN's various features. There's three out so far, and they've all made for pretty good reading! #1: Prestige Points and Objectives #2: Generals and Officers #3: Regions "I happen to believe that both parties deserve a good scouring with a metal brush and sent to their room without reelection" - Steelgrave
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#2 12 MAY 2011 at 3:11pm
Bismarck Colonel Posts : 4434 Joined: 31 MAY 2001 Location: US, Wisconsin Status : Offline	FWIW, my preview should be up at Armchairgeneral next week. Big game. Jim Cobb, Ph. D. Adjunct Faculty, Cardinal Stritch University
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#3 12 MAY 2011 at 4:30pm
Nefaro Colonel Posts : 4641 Joined: 6 OCT 2003 Status : Offline	At the price point, this may be the first day-one purchase I've made in a few years. __________________________ Are you brave enough for 640kb?
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#4 12 MAY 2011 at 5:12pm
Martok Colonel Posts : 4018 Joined: 4 JUN 2005 Location: US, Minnesota Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By Bismarck* FWIW, my preview should be up at Armchairgeneral next week. Big game. Looking forward to it! "I happen to believe that both parties deserve a good scouring with a metal brush and sent to their room without reelection" - Steelgrave
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#5 12 MAY 2011 at 5:50pm
bbmike Centurion Posts : 457 Joined: 28 JUN 2009 Location: US, DC Status : Online	*Originally Posted By Bismarck* FWIW, my preview should be up at Armchairgeneral next week. Big game. I'm with Martok. Can't wait to read your preview! AAR Central
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#6 12 MAY 2011 at 6:07pm
JaguarUSF Commander Posts : 1193 Joined: 1 APR 2005 Location: US, Florida Status : Online	Pride of Nations release date is June 7th, FYI.
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#7 15 MAY 2011 at 3:39am
Martok Colonel Posts : 4018 Joined: 4 JUN 2005 Location: US, Minnesota Status : Offline	#4: Exploring Africa #5: Coal & upkeep I particularly enjoyed the #5 entry: Obtaining coal supplies and building coaling stations, "intelligent" upkeep (i.e., ships in harbor will not use coal), the costs & benefits of railroads.... Sounds like it should make for some difficult but fun choices! "I happen to believe that both parties deserve a good scouring with a metal brush and sent to their room without reelection" - Steelgrave
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#8 15 MAY 2011 at 5:23pm
Martok Colonel Posts : 4018 Joined: 4 JUN 2005 Location: US, Minnesota Status : Offline	#6: Taxes (or death!): This entry specifically deals with the "State" income. (Another entry dealing with "capital", or private income, is apparently forthcoming.) The complexity sounds good; I just hope it's not too much for my tiny brain to handle. #7: Combat units and postures: I'll be interested to see how the different unit sizes work, especially since some are more appropriate for certain areas than others. I've not really seen that kind of model (in games) before, so I'm very curious to see it in action! "I happen to believe that both parties deserve a good scouring with a metal brush and sent to their room without reelection" - Steelgrave
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#9 17 MAY 2011 at 6:26am
Pocus Centurion Posts : 456 Joined: 23 NOV 2005 Status : Offline	Honestly that would pose a problem if there was a hard coded limit on stacking, like 'no more than 4 combat units per region'. The limit in the game (and the AGE engine) has more to do with the 'frontage' concept, i.e how many men you can deploy on the battlefield, knowing also that big stacks move more slowly. Also, nothing prevent you from deploying 6 colonial brigades in a given national region. They can surely put up some good fight against a lone enemy infantry division, still, this is really not optimal, because they are costlier for the same combat rating than the others units. The reverse move, i.e using big metropolitan units in a colonial region is much more risky in a way, because attrition can really kill your men fast, unless the colonial region is Alger or Kaapstad. I think it also works because small or large combat units are anyway made of the same size of bricks: the element. An infantry corps has perhaps 18 elements, a colonial brigade 2, but each element is roughly the same size. So by having a kind of common denominator, we can compare / have things work much better, even when a big unit meets a small one.
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#10 17 MAY 2011 at 7:32am
Kriegspieler Centurion Posts : 643 Joined: 5 JAN 2005 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By Martok* #6: Taxes (or death!): This entry specifically deals with the "State" income. (Another entry dealing with "capital", or private income, is apparently forthcoming.) The complexity sounds good; I just hope it's not too much for my tiny brain to handle. This is one of the best innovations in the game. And it's not at all too difficult to manage, because from one given turn to another there's not all that much to do. Getting too old to do this!
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#11 20 MAY 2011 at 2:51am
Martok Colonel Posts : 4018 Joined: 4 JUN 2005 Location: US, Minnesota Status : Offline	#8 National soil and peace treaties #9 International trade and Commerce fleets Honestly, this is one of the few strategy games I've seen that actually makes trade sound interesting! I definitely look forward to trying it out. *Originally Posted By Pocus* Honestly that would pose a problem if there was a hard coded limit on stacking, like 'no more than 4 combat units per region'. The limit in the game (and the AGE engine) has more to do with the 'frontage' concept, i.e how many men you can deploy on the battlefield, knowing also that big stacks move more slowly. Also, nothing prevent you from deploying 6 colonial brigades in a given national region. They can surely put up some good fight against a lone enemy infantry division, still, this is really not optimal, because they are costlier for the same combat rating than the others units. The reverse move, i.e using big metropolitan units in a colonial region is much more risky in a way, because attrition can really kill your men fast, unless the colonial region is Alger or Kaapstad. I think it also works because small or large combat units are anyway made of the same size of bricks: the element. An infantry corps has perhaps 18 elements, a colonial brigade 2, but each element is roughly the same size. So by having a kind of common denominator, we can compare / have things work much better, even when a big unit meets a small one. Thanks for the info, Pocus. Good to see at least a little detail of how it works. "I happen to believe that both parties deserve a good scouring with a metal brush and sent to their room without reelection" - Steelgrave
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#12 20 MAY 2011 at 7:46am
Sol Invictus Centurion Posts : 967 Joined: 6 APR 2005 Location: US Status : Offline	This game could be HUGE! I do expect such a complicated and ambitious game to have its share of bugs and to need some gameplay tweaks but I am confident in AGEOD based on their previous games. Bring on the demo! "The fruit of too much liberty is slavery" Cicero
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#13 20 MAY 2011 at 10:10am
Spharv2 Centurion Posts : 123 Joined: 29 MAR 2007 Location: 0 Status : Offline	If you hadn't seen it, they've begun an 8 player AAR on the paradox boards. Paradox AAR
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#14 20 MAY 2011 at 12:42pm
Slick Wilhelm Centurion Posts : 918 Joined: 11 SEP 2007 Location: US, Minnesota Status : Offline	Fascinating 8-player AAR. It's going to take many years for them to finish. I hope that the patches, when released, don't break current PBEM games. Beta Tester: Brother Against Brother; Commander: The Great War
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#15 20 MAY 2011 at 1:23pm
JaguarUSF Commander Posts : 1193 Joined: 1 APR 2005 Location: US, Florida Status : Online	As I noted in that thread, at that rate, the game will be done January 6, 2024.
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#16 20 MAY 2011 at 2:33pm
Spharv2 Centurion Posts : 123 Joined: 29 MAR 2007 Location: 0 Status : Offline	Probably, but if you've got good friends, it would be fun to have a nice 5 year game with all the backstabbing and arguments that would result, wouldn't it? [sm=Axe_anim.gif]
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#17 21 MAY 2011 at 12:49am
Martok Colonel Posts : 4018 Joined: 4 JUN 2005 Location: US, Minnesota Status : Offline	#10: Population definitions It appears that while there will be no shortage of info for those who wish to look "under the hood", this mechanic is largely abstracted. I won't deny this comes as a profound relief! #11: The Industrial Base I'm becoming more and more fascinated by the game's financial model. Things like the international market and the ability to build structures in other countries (albeit within limits) should definitely help "spice up" VON's economic sector and make it a viable -- and almost certainly vital -- part of gameplay. "I happen to believe that both parties deserve a good scouring with a metal brush and sent to their room without reelection" - Steelgrave
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#18 21 MAY 2011 at 7:38am
Slick Wilhelm Centurion Posts : 918 Joined: 11 SEP 2007 Location: US, Minnesota Status : Offline	While their long range goals differ, it's interesting that some pretty solid short-term goals must be met by all nations: Stabilize the economy, buy/produce as much coal and manufactured goods as possible, initiate commerce treaties with the other major powers, build infrastructure and send out explorers to discover new resources and potential colonies. I'm totally stoked for the colonial aspect of the game. Did you see that for each new territory, there are something like 8 choices of what you can attempt to do to the territory. We've got to get a massive Wargamer PBEM game of VoN going when it releases. [sm=coaster.gif] Beta Tester: Brother Against Brother; Commander: The Great War
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#19 21 MAY 2011 at 8:51am
tgb123 Commander Posts : 1474 Joined: 13 NOV 2009 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By Slick Wilhelm* We've got to get a massive Wargamer PBEM game of VoN going when it releases. [sm=coaster.gif] I'd be up for that, except being 60 years old, I'm not sure I'd make it to the end of the game.
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#20 21 MAY 2011 at 11:09am
JaguarUSF Commander Posts : 1193 Joined: 1 APR 2005 Location: US, Florida Status : Online	*Originally Posted By Slick Wilhelm* Did you see that for each new territory, there are something like 8 choices of what you can attempt to do to the territory? Actually, it's 31: five exploration, four military, five diplomatic, ten development, five status, and two for disorganized territories.
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#21 21 MAY 2011 at 5:35pm
tgb123 Commander Posts : 1474 Joined: 13 NOV 2009 Status : Offline	Pocus posted some info on the demo over at the official boards. It will consist of all the tutorials (5), and then 12 turns of the GC where you can play any of the 8 playable powers. Sounds good to me, except I hope the tutorials are closer to the Vicky II tutorials than the typical Aegod fare.
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#22 21 MAY 2011 at 7:05pm
JaguarUSF Commander Posts : 1193 Joined: 1 APR 2005 Location: US, Florida Status : Online	The tutorials in the press beta were, sadly, typical AGEOD fare, but maybe they've been improved since then. We'll find out soon enough.
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#23 22 MAY 2011 at 10:18pm
Nefaro Colonel Posts : 4641 Joined: 6 OCT 2003 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By JaguarUSF* The tutorials in the press beta were, sadly, typical AGEOD fare, but maybe they've been improved since then. We'll find out soon enough. The first demo I played from them, for AACW, actually did teach me the toughest part.. organizing armies and managing the command point system. Though a second run through helped make it really click for me. The extra help I needed beyond that was in the details, notably of how to best approach battles and making efficient supply lines. I definitely read through the manual to pick up some of that, but reading the manual for the 'guts' and numbers is usually the case for all games of this nature isn't it? Even then, more avid players are the best source for offering straightforward suggestions on the forums, rather than fingering it all out for ourselves, so that may be the best way for some to 'get it'. Anyway, they don't have the worst tutorials around that I've seen. Maybe not the greatest, but it sufficed for me. __________________________ Are you brave enough for 640kb?
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#24 23 MAY 2011 at 5:14am
JaguarUSF Commander Posts : 1193 Joined: 1 APR 2005 Location: US, Florida Status : Online	I'm more comparing the tutorials to the ones in Victoria 2, which was (sadly) the best part of that game.
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#25 23 MAY 2011 at 6:21am
bboyer66 Colonel Posts : 4709 Joined: 17 APR 2006 Location: US, Pittsburgh PA Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By JaguarUSF* I'm more comparing the tutorials to the ones in Victoria 2, which was (sadly) the best part of that game. LOL, aint that the truth. Pittsburgh Eats
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