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| 10 JUN 2006 at 12:09pm |
BoggitColonel
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Status : Offline | As you know both are very differnet, both in terms of scope and style. If you are more a strategist, then go for BoA. Conversely, if you want to have a more immersive tactical "battlefield experience" then go for 2nd Manassas.
I have Manassas (fantastic piece of work) and BoA is on order. Maybe get the one that appeals the most now and the other when you can afford it.[]
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| 10 JUN 2006 at 12:12pm |
KillrothCenturion
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Status : Online | Well I love both tactical and strategic type games so I am pretty indifferent. I am leaning a bit more toward TC2M but I wanted to see what everyone else had to say since being here so long I feel most of the people here have similar likes and dislikes in games as myself. But if you had to choose one which would you go with Boggit? TC2M I am assuming?
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| 10 JUN 2006 at 12:18pm |
BoggitColonel
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Status : Offline | I think you're probably right. That said I haven't played BoA although the reviews were very encouraging. The developer of BoA has also upgrade the game with patches and map updates so draw the conclusion that they are professional and committed to their customers.
TC2M is without doubt a fine game and a credit to its developer's. They have also a scenario/system editor so if you want to create scenario's for say the Indian Mutiny or Franco Prussian War you should be able to do it. Haven't yet tried it myself, but it's a cool feature and shows the developer's commitment to their product.[]
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| 10 JUN 2006 at 12:29pm |
BismarckColonel
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Status : Offline | One thought before buying BoA is to see how For Liberty! turns out in July. Almost the same subject and scale.
Having said that, I admire both BoA and TC2M. Got a coint to flip?
Jim Cobb, Ph. D. Adjunct Faculty, Cardinal Stritch University 
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| 10 JUN 2006 at 1:24pm |
dinsdaleCenturion
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Well I love both tactical and strategic type games so I am pretty indifferent. I am leaning a bit more toward TC2M but I wanted to see what everyone else had to say since being here so long I feel most of the people here have similar likes and dislikes in games as myself. But if you had to choose one which would you go with Boggit? TC2M I am assuming?
BOA may be the best game of it's scale around. The AI alone is superior to most other games, but it's the "feel" which makes it so good. The decisions you're forced to make really conjures up the being-there atmousphere.
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| 10 JUN 2006 at 1:40pm |
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Status : Offline | I'd say try the demos. I really wanted to get behind BoA as I respect what the company is doing but I just cannot get into operational level games no matter how hard I try. There are too many absractiosn for me. Maybe I lack imagination but I really need to be down there in the trenches. My vote goes to TC2M but that's based purely on my own personal biasses. Everything I've read and heard about BoA suggests that, for games of that type and scope, it really does stand head and shoulders above the pack.
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| 10 JUN 2006 at 1:45pm |
KillrothCenturion
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Status : Online | Well I played the demos and found them both to be great games which is why I am so torn. I mean if it comes down to it I will probably go with TC2M though maybe I should flip a coin as Bismarck suggested.
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| 10 JUN 2006 at 9:25pm |
kellysheroesCommander
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Status : Online | In this case (excluding the lack of total control of TCM2 and with it becomes a clickfest) I would buy TCM2 here because it offers up random tatical battles on several maps. Whereas with BoA here you are getting more of a simulation of the same thing over and over again. Of course there will be mods and variants, but, how much can you mod and change the War of Independence to where it's no longer the same as it should have been. I find strategic simulations to become boring moreso than tactical skirmishes unless they offer a pletheora of scenarios like TOAW III.
They are both good games for what they do, once again it comes down ot preference of what type of play style you like most. Also longevity falls into place here as well. Which one will last longer and give you more value for your money.
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| 10 JUN 2006 at 10:58pm |
Marcus the smiling leperCenturion
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Status : Online | I feel like a Jim Rome caller here, but, long time reader, first time "caller" and I must say, BoA is a fine game. But, for my money, what MMG has created is hands down one of the finest games ever produced. I have to agree with a fellow poster, if operational systems is your cup of tea, go for BoA. But if you want to get your hands dirty, feel the heart pounding exhilaration of being outflanked and having to respond, TC2M, is with out a doubt, what you are looking for. Just my two cents, good luck on whatever you decide to get.
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| 11 JUN 2006 at 1:50am |
pmirandaCenturion
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Status : Online | I don't know TC2M, but I can tell you Birth of America is really outstanding. The support is also quite amazing, with regular patches and a very dynamic forum.
I believe, like the other posters commented, that they're quite different games though.
BoA is not a tactical game. The subject is also quite different. One good point about BoA is that it's not limited to the War of Independence, but also covers the French-Indian Wars.
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| 11 JUN 2006 at 2:52pm |
KillrothCenturion
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Status : Online | Well guys I decided to go with TC2M. I have played a few scenarios and I got to say it is an awesome game. I was playing one scenario and i got so fixated on my front that I did not realize I had 2 union brigades coming on my flank till my leftern most regiment went running across my screen. This game is so intense and it just is so realistic, as a division commander I hate having my couriers continually getting mowed down, there is nothing more annoying. Thanks for the advice guys I think I made the right choice.
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| 11 JUN 2006 at 5:20pm |
kellysheroesCommander
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Status : Online | I think you did also.
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| 14 JUN 2006 at 2:55am |
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Status : Online | Enjoy your game!!
I play both games intensively and I think they are the best games issued so far this year. They bring some fressh air in the wargame world, and this is good news! I hope 2006 to be a real millesime...
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| 14 JUN 2006 at 5:20am |
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Status : Offline | A question regarding TC2M,does it provide multiplayer option?
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| 14 JUN 2006 at 1:41pm |
LlyranorCenturion
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Status : Offline | No. It's in the plans for future titles (the next one will have the campaign feature, the one after will have mp).
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| 14 JUN 2006 at 2:22pm |
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Status : Online | Does TCM2 have random things added to it or is it the same battle fought over and over?
I have BoA already but now TCM2 seems interesting. I need to get that demo ASAP
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| 14 JUN 2006 at 2:30pm |
BismarckColonel
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Status : Offline | There's three battles and many individual commanders so you can play many parts of each battle.
All of this is in my review which is always more description than opinion. Be sure to read WG's front page as well as the forums.
Jim Cobb, Ph. D. Adjunct Faculty, Cardinal Stritch University
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| 14 JUN 2006 at 2:36pm |
DonanCenturion
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Does TCM2 have random things added to it or is it the same battle fought over and over?
I have BoA already but now TCM2 seems interesting. I need to get that demo ASAP
There are 3 main battles, but many seperate encounters. Some linked so that you troop strength carries over from the previous battles. Plus there is a fantastic 'Open Play' where most folks play. It's at several levels (i.e. Corps, Division, Brigrade) and several variant way's to play them (i.e. 'meeting engagement' etc. With or without VP's (i.e.s victory points for keeping geographical points) and strategic, no clue where the opfor is etc. Very cool. Check MMG website (www.madminutegames.com) for more of a descriptive ledger of features. (i.e. you can pick your commanders, what side, what map etc. etc.)
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| 14 JUN 2006 at 2:38pm |
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Status : Online | Wow that sounds cool. At first I thought this game was nothing more than a version of the old Sid Meier Civil War games but it looks much better
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| 14 JUN 2006 at 4:06pm |
LlyranorCenturion
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Status : Offline | Hehe, I think the demo will do a lot convincing for you.
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| 14 JUN 2006 at 5:11pm |
DonanCenturion
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Wow that sounds cool. At first I thought this game was nothing more than a version of the old Sid Meier Civil War games but it looks much better
Yes, it's absolutely fantastic. And we are just not talking 'features' here, wait till you see the graphics and AI work the ACW command trade. It's like watching a movie, Gettysburg or being at a re-enactment almost. It gives you a panoramic sense of ACW battles like you've never seen before. (o.k 'maybe' not quite a 'movie' quality, but I stand by the, '...like you never seen before...' gaming-wise[]
And yes. Try the demo. It gives you a small taste that will having you wanting to find their house to get it from them directly (but then that would distract them from their next great opting: Shiloh! and a campaign mode...yowzer!. (check out their forums too. Lot's of good reading).
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| 16 JUN 2006 at 7:26pm |
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Status : Online | TC2M has 49 specific scenarios covering specific parts of the battles of Cedar Mountain, 2nd Manassas, and Chantilly. These scenarios are built with a number of designed variations. In addition, the AI has a signficant amount of discrection so even within the same variation, it will make different choices.
TC2M also has an open play option that can be set on any of the included battlefields with any of the battle OOBs. In addition, OOBs have been built by modders for a number of other major battles. There are six engagement classes that can be selected in OP. Any class can be played at the division, corps or army level. It will take you quite a while to exhaust all of the options in this game.
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