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| 25 JUL 2009 at 11:03am |
kentcolCenturion
Posts : 25
Joined: 14 APR 2008
Status : Offline | Go to the forums at Paradox. All the info you need. Also, I believe there is a Wiki for it.
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 11:16am |
UlfangCenturion
Posts : 855
Joined: 27 SEP 2005
Location: UK, Lancashire
Status : Offline | I've had CK since it came out but went back to it recently to try out a Mod (before the conquest - aimed at playing in England before the Norman Conquest). It is a very good game. a pretty pointless combat system but it isn't really a wargame so there you go.
As for Vicky well it's not really anything like CK and isn't much like EU either If you think HOI is overly complicated well it's nothing really on Vicky. It's by far the most difficult to master IMO. It has a similar economic system to HOI. It's a pretty much a hardcore gaming experience.
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 11:18am |
ZonsoCenturion
Posts : 260
Joined: 29 FEB 2008
Location: CA
Status : Offline | Victoria would be the most complex of Paradox's games imo, much more so than HOI2. I have only gotten into it a couple of times since I have had it, much less war oriented and more economic. It requires a lot of micromanagement, there are guides available at Paradox that help the newcomer.
Crusader Kings is the simplest I think. There are wars and infrastructure advancements, but they are secondary to the family bloodline you are trying to create and maintain. I find it very enjoyable because of its lighter fare, I rarly fiddle with anything; simply make my 'choices' for my family through the events and methodically aquire more provinces. Again there are all sorts of guides available. My number one tip would be to go slow, don't let your reputation slide too far when grabbing titles. You can offset that by creating vassals to some extent and ensuring their loyalty. Technology is not really aquired through any action of your own but 'spreads' throughout the world. There are easier nations to play, iirc Apulia is one of them; I would start with one of them to learn the dynamics of the game then go on to more challenging roles.
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 11:29am |
XtiaanCenturion
Posts : 686
Joined: 21 NOV 2008
Status : Offline | I lurk a bit on the Paradox Forums but I don't like them very much. Trust the opinions around here much more than I would fan boys on that site.
Thanks for the tips Zonso
If Vicky is more complicated then HOI2, I don't think it's for me ( For the same reason I would never dive into WITP). Sounds like a little too much for my taste although I do like HOI2.
I don't find CK less complicated than the EU titles. INMO there are more things to do to keep busy. The bloodlines stuff is really interesting and has led to some pretty interesting situations in my game.... (Like assassinating my own family members which strangely led to a civil war in France and toppled the king)... Very cool how small ripples in the pond can start a title wave in CK that can make or break your fiefdom.
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 12:09pm |
UlfangCenturion
Posts : 855
Joined: 27 SEP 2005
Location: UK, Lancashire
Status : Offline | One of my favourite games in CK was a Prince John (Lackland) and first off assassinating my wife for a younger model and just Henry II was approaching his deathbed assassinating Brother Richard to become next in line to the throne
There are so many interesting strategy's you can employ in the game and the development of your family is very enjoyable.
I'm assuming you also bought the Deus Vult expansion? It adds lots of nice new features. There are also some nice mods on the official forums (scenarios and modifications sub forum).
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 12:14pm |
airboyCommander
Posts : 2754
Joined: 24 AUG 2004
Location: 0
Status : Online | Vicky is considerably more complicated than HOI2. Worse yet, Vicky has the worst manual ever issued by Paradox. I reread the manual a couple of days ago, and was again shocked at how such a complex game has such a thin manual. Most of the usable guides for Vicky suggest picking a very small country and playing the game.
If you want to play Vicky, I STRONGLY suggest that you read the Wiki's out there. Only after reading them can you make any sort of decision about the game.
I do concur with the others that Vicky is much more about economic development while HOI2 is much more focused on warfare. But.... consider the time frame of the two games. HOI2 runs (with Doomsday) from 1936 to 1950 or 52. Vicky covers a much larger time period and does not have an all-encompassing world war going on at the same time.
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 12:22pm |
XtiaanCenturion
Posts : 686
Joined: 21 NOV 2008
Status : Offline |
I too find the manuals useless for any Paradox game. The best strategy is just to dive in and figure it out. It took me three days before I had a clue what was going on in the original HOI and about a week to figure out it wasn't worth playing until it was patched up!
If Vicky's learning curve is that steep, that sounds frustrating beyond belief...
One CK question... Is it possible to assign particular courtiers to command regiments?
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 1:55pm |
ghostryderColonel
Posts : 6937
Joined: 4 MAY 2004
Location: US, Texas
Status : Offline | my take on Vicky is it's more an economic game with some combat ability thrown in- Your mostly doodling with your economics and political areas-and revolts-it's not at all involved in areas CK covers. In fact colony manmagement is rather limited to building forts and railroads and factories.
You can choose some reform stuff but you can't 'appoint' positions as in CK.
It's a deep fun game but with a totally different focus. Note with revolutions you do go through WWI so in that regard it pairs better with HOI as it does with CK.
As deep as the game is the strategy involved is pretty basic and simplistic- Tax the poor, lower crime fighting and max education- other than that you just deal with building up your provinces and keeping a plus balance on the economy. you really don't actively colonize as in EU nor wage massive wars as in HOI nor /micromanage politics as in CK- it's main depth is really resources/trade.
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 2:14pm |
XtiaanCenturion
Posts : 686
Joined: 21 NOV 2008
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Thanks for that info Ghost... I'm going to stick with CK and then wade into HOI3 when it comes out.
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 2:34pm |
ghostryderColonel
Posts : 6937
Joined: 4 MAY 2004
Location: US, Texas
Status : Offline | I find Vicky pretty easy to learn compared to CK- I'd say it's even easier than EU to learn- the manual is a joke- even the 'updated 1.4 revolutions one' found on paradox forums- it basically explains 'concepts' and that's about it. I find HOI much more complicated and harder to learn- asided from the trade window Vicky is actually pretty shallow compared to HOI. Limited troops and ships- just 3 of the former and 4 of the later- and 5 sections on research which are rather straight forward. (no armor value kind of stuff)
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 2:45pm |
GreybriarCommander
Posts : 2704
Joined: 30 MAY 2008
Location: US
Status : Offline | I am in agreement with what others have posted about [i]Victoria[/i] and [i]Crusader Kings[/i]. They are good games if you are into that type of thing, and each certainly has its share of fans.
As for CK, if you are interested in purchasing a hard copy, [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/CRUSADER-KINGS-COMPLETE-WITH-DEUS-VULT-NEW_W0QQitemZ390056042704QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games_Games?hash=item5ad126e0d0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50][I]Crusader Kings Complete[/I][/url] can be purchased off eBay for $8.99 U.S. plus $3.99 for shipping. I thought that was a good buy for both [i]Crusader Kings[/i] plus its expansion [i]Deus Vult[/i] and bought one myself. It only took six days to receive it from Europe.
This war is not about slavery. --Robert E. Lee
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 3:21pm |
sieksterCenturion
Posts : 614
Joined: 27 JUN 2006
Status : Online | As far as Crusader Kings tips go, what I've found to work (never played a French Count, but played both as Asturias in Spain as well as Apulia, and was able to form Kingdoms eventually). I start with all the cheap economic improvements to get gold going, and eventually move on to building up availabe manpower in the province with improvements. Meantime, I try to avoid deploying my forces when my liege asks, because it costs a load of money and will drain your coffers in a jippy, only to have your liege have them sit somewhere doing nothing.
Then it's a waiting game.... just wait for the right opporutnities... a weak neighbor who breaks away from his liege, making him ripe for the picking. Use your prestige wisely, and save it up to take advantage of those situations. If you're having problems with a big neighbor, get a strong ally. In my Spain game, I accomplished the total wipeout of the muslim factions in Spain by pulling England into the war... then the interesting part was figuring how to get the stinkin English out afterwards :-)
It's a great game, and the map can get pretty ahistorical, but that's what makes the game fun, as you never get the same game twice.
"Fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing."
-Optimus Prime
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 7:12pm |
WallysWorldCenturion
Posts : 464
Joined: 30 MAR 2005
Location: CA
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Xtiaan
I'm probably not the only person on the board who took advantage of the sale on Paradox Titles this week. I took the plunge and bought Crusader Kings Complete.
My too! Except that I also bought the complete EU:Rome and EU:III within the last month or so and decided to learn Rome first. But I did try CK a little bit without reading the manual and found it very enjoyable for what little I know of the rules.
Abe Simpson: "I used to be 'with it', but then they changed what 'it' was. Now what I'm with isn't 'it', and what's 'it' seems weird and scary."
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| 25 JUL 2009 at 11:37pm |
Silent Disapproval RobotCommander
Posts : 1358
Joined: 14 MAR 2009
Status : Offline | I love Vicky! I hate the economic model as I feel it's more a representation of present day libertarian ideals and their romanaticized view of the Victorian era than it is a true reflection of mercantilist policies that existed at the time, but I'm a sucker for the genre and I love the nation-specific events the devs included. It's also so mirco-management heavy that it can feel more like work than pleasure to play one of the Great Nations, but I simply love taking a small country like Japan and leading it through the Meiji restoration from backwards feudalism and into the modern age.
Great game!
豆腐の角に頭をぶつけて死ね
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| 26 JUL 2009 at 11:00am |
XtiaanCenturion
Posts : 686
Joined: 21 NOV 2008
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By WallysWorld
Originally Posted By Xtiaan
I'm probably not the only person on the board who took advantage of the sale on Paradox Titles this week. I took the plunge and bought Crusader Kings Complete.
My too! Except that I also bought the complete EU:Rome and EU:III within the last month or so and decided to learn Rome first. But I did try CK a little bit without reading the manual and found it very enjoyable for what little I know of the rules.
Something like that happened to me. I bought EU and the expansions right before EU Complete came out. Never again though, learned my lesson! Good sales on old games come down the pike eventually!
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| 26 JUL 2009 at 12:28pm |
Keester KlownCenturion
Posts : 848
Joined: 27 AUG 2004
Status : Online | In CK, make sure you have Autosave on, and still save often. Then don't be surprised when you reach a spot where the permanently crashes.
I've tried playing this more than any other unsuccessful game I've ever had -- on 4 different systems and 2 different operating systems. I've started maybe 75 games. I have yet to finish a single one...the game always perma-crashes around the midway point.
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| 26 JUL 2009 at 6:40pm |
sieksterCenturion
Posts : 614
Joined: 27 JUN 2006
Status : Online | Kleester Klown, have you registered your game with PDox and posted in their CK forum? They're great about helping resolve problems.... I've never had any problems with permacrashes in my games.
"Fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing."
-Optimus Prime
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