| 21 OCT 2009 at 12:53pm |
lancerunolfssonCenturion
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Status : Offline | Looks like a neon hell with squares to me.
Medford Oregon Gamer Group + Free Miniature Rules and a Print and Play Board game.
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| 21 OCT 2009 at 3:05pm |
spelkCommander
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Location: UK
Status : Offline | I've only played two battles but I really like it. Its got unit placement, its got all the good stuff of panzer general, but its got the added bonus of cards and a multi-tiered combat resolution that seems to give you a lot of choice at the win, depending upon which cards you have and how you want to play them. Graphics are nice enough.
I have Memoir 44 still shrink wrapped though, so I can't say whether it compares to that, but what I can say is has a bite size chunk of wartime strategy with the added excitement of the luck of the cards, card collecting and deck building. I think XBLA has needed something along these lines for a long time, and I'm well pleased we're seeing interesting boardgame style strategy games turning up there.
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| 21 OCT 2009 at 4:31pm |
benparkCenturion
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Location: US
Status : Offline | What about this one (Toy Soldiers):
http://www.gamespot.com...tag=thumbs_below;thumb;5
It looks like HG Wells come to life.
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| 21 OCT 2009 at 6:14pm |
smittyohioCenturion
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Status : Offline | It's not really all that similar to Memoir '44 aside from the setting and the fact you use cards. Played the demo about 15 mins, and it seems like a pretty fun little game and fairly cheap by Xbox Live standards ($10).
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| 21 OCT 2009 at 6:42pm |
honestabeCenturion
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Status : Online | Ten bucks?! Seriously? Wow! Maybe turn based strategy games will be cheaper on the Xbox since it's such a niche portion of gaming?
Does it have canned scenarios or can you make random setups with it? I think in Memoirs 44 you can place the tiles to your liking during setup?
Also we have some user scores coming in at Gamespot at 9.3 so far
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/strategy/panzergeneralalliedassault/index.html?tag=gallery_summary;title
I can't believe I might be fixing to spend $300 to play a $10 game. Someone talk me out of it please? {g}
A.I. production-it's more like, Okay, the games about ready--lets stick some A.I. in- you have 3 weeks.
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| 22 OCT 2009 at 4:27am |
ComradePColonel
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Location: NL
Status : Offline | Games using a combination of turn based strategy and cards seem to be all the rage currently. I don't mind, as thus far they're pretty good.
So, OK, maybe the initial cynical responses when we heard this would be the next Panzer General game were not really fair. 10 bucks for what looks like a pretty decent game isn't a bad deal.
honestabe: it's not like this is the Xbox 360's quality title and the rest of the games are crappy. There are plenty of other unique titles you would indirectly be buying the console for, although if you're mostly into wargames, consoles won't have much to offer.
If you consider buying a console, think about whether you prefer to sit on the couch when playing games, perhaps with some friends, or on a chair in front of your PC screen. Many of the better games, especially for the Xbox 360, will be ported to the PC so you might not be missing out on much. However, Xbox Live Arcade does seem to have some pretty good deals.
Personally, I haven't bought any of the latest consoles (Wii, Ps3 or Xbox 360), as there was no need to do so initially. Now that the amount of quality games for all those consoles is increasing, I might be tempted to buy one.
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| 22 OCT 2009 at 6:41am |
erikgrande71Centurion
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Status : Online | Honestabe, you wrote "..This might be the actual game to get me to by a console as I've wanted Memoir 44 for the PC for awhile now."
Have you considered VASSAL? They have an excellent module for Memoir44, where you can play against others on your PC...I have had a number of interesting games with this...
Check it out at www.vassalengine.org.
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| 22 OCT 2009 at 7:02am |
Great AjaxCenturion
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Location: US, Oklahoma
Status : Offline | I read a blurb earlier this summer that said that a developer was working on Tide of Iron and Wings of War for Xbox Live Arcade.
EDIT: Oh, and they already have Carcasonne, Cataan, and Ticket to Ride. All of which are exceptional.
Trey
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| 22 OCT 2009 at 7:22am |
SchwerpunktCommander
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Status : Online | IGN review of Panzer General. Above average marks overall:
http://xboxlive.ign.com/articles/103/1037531p1.html#
And I second VASSAL. Greatest thing since sliced bread!
"Forty years after a battle it is easy for a non-combatant to reason about how it ought to have been fought. It is another thing personally and under fire to direct the fighting while involved in the obscuring smoke of it."
-Herman Melville
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| 22 OCT 2009 at 8:05am |
DBevesCommander
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By benpark
What about this one (Toy Soldiers):
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/strategy/toysoldiers/images/0/15/?tag=thumbs_below;thumb;5
It looks like HG Wells come to life.
Er ... wow ... nevr thought of buying a console before
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| 22 OCT 2009 at 8:41am |
JasonPrattCenturion
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Location: US, TN
Status : Offline | Reminds me a little of Dynasty Tactics 2 for the PS2.
Incidentally, anyone interested in console strategy gaming, should consider investing in a PS3--but make sure you find the version that's backward compatible with PS2. (The easiest way is to look for older PS3 models that shipped with a spare PS2 processor, as those are guaranteed 100% compatible. I don't know how compatible current models are, though some are supposed to be highly compatible; used to be, though, the rule was that the new software emulator they came up with after running out of actual processors, was around 80% compatible.)
The Playstation has always had a long history of trying to support wargaming (including a fine port of the original Panzer General for the PS1!) Though the mode of delivery has sometimes been rather... goofy. (Disgaea, anyone?)
"Pratt creates a real, hard, dirty world that is somehow still fantastical and full of magic and mystery. Daunting, but worthwhile." -- Vanessa Lee for Front Street
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| 22 OCT 2009 at 10:27am |
honestabeCenturion
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By erikgrande71
Honestabe, you wrote "..This might be the actual game to get me to by a console as I've wanted Memoir 44 for the PC for awhile now."
Have you considered VASSAL? They have an excellent module for Memoir44, where you can play against others on your PC...I have had a number of interesting games with this...
Check it out at www.vassalengine.org.
Don't you have to play against other human opponents on Vassal Erik? I usually don't have much success playing against other humans online because the human will cheat, quit, cry, harass, blame, cutthroat, lie, gangup, humiliate you, argue over house rules, call you names, accuse you of cheating and just generally disappear from a game he/she is losing.
The computer ai on the other hand is a glutton for punishment and never cries, lies, blames or most especially disappears when losing, although lately with these crashes just when I'm about to lay the final blows is making me wonder about that last one.
It does cheat but at least I am aware of that and its cheating isn't that hard to overcome in most games against it but human cheating is quite another thing humans will alter the code of a game to give them the victory sometimes or replay a turn over and over until they get the results that best suits them.
Not having to deal with the human element makes a $300 investment seem more enjoyable for me. Like someone else said above there hopefully will be other games I might get interested in on the Xbox and from some of the commercials I've seen on tv he may be right. I also get the feeling that the better things are going to move to the consoles anyways in the future as it's more secure than a PC and really less headaches on the users side.
A.I. production-it's more like, Okay, the games about ready--lets stick some A.I. in- you have 3 weeks.
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| 22 OCT 2009 at 12:31pm |
erikgrande71Centurion
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Status : Online | You´re right, of course, VASSAL is a system for playing other human beings. I´m sorry you have had those kind of experiences you describe when playing other humans. I for one have played a lot of games on VASSAL, and never had any of those experiences, luckily. (playing memoir44 and ASL on VASSAL, mostly)
But its your choice who you want to play, of course, humans or the computer or, like me; both.
If you change your mind, look me up there some time, I promise I will give you a fair fight in every respect
Good luck!
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| 22 OCT 2009 at 7:57pm |
Corporal TrimCenturion
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Status : Online | I've been playing PG AA for a couple of days now. Love it. No connection to the original PG games except for the title and sharing at least a little of the music. What I miss is the fluidity of the original and using your leveled-up core units from scenario to scenario.
But no question that the cards are a novelty and what you choose to play and when makes for tough choices and for much unpredictability in what the enemy will play. For example, do I deploy an infanty unit or save the points value of that card to alter combat odds in my favor ?
Can't vouch for the multiplayer side of things yet, still immersed in learning the ropes in the solo campaign.
Steve
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| 23 OCT 2009 at 5:24pm |
honestabeCenturion
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Status : Online | Can you tell me/us a little more about it Trim? Does it have random generated maps/missions? How does multiplayer work when you get a chance to try it? Hotseat? PBEM? (I have never had a X-box/modern console so if I ask stupid questions it's because I have no idea how they work online). It says collectable cards does that mean you'll be able to get more online? How does it score victories, what are the victory conditions? Anything other than I played it a couple of days and love it would be welcome information. {g}
A.I. production-it's more like, Okay, the games about ready--lets stick some A.I. in- you have 3 weeks.
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| 23 OCT 2009 at 5:43pm |
SchwerpunktCommander
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By honestabe
Don't you have to play against other human opponents on Vassal Erik? I usually don't have much success playing against other humans online because the human will cheat, quit, cry, harass, blame, cutthroat, lie, gangup, humiliate you, argue over house rules, call you names, accuse you of cheating and just generally disappear from a game he/she is losing.
I've been playing on VASSAL for a couple of years now with an old college wargaming buddy and we have never had any personal problems with each other over any of our games. (mostly old The Gamers Standard Combat Series games) Sure, we bitch and moan when one of us is losing and having crappy dice results but it is just typical gamer whining. And we always exchange witty(or not-so-witty) sarcastic remarks. We don't cheat with our games because we've been friends for a long time...and that's just not kewl.
VASSAL is best played--and I guess this goes for computer PBEM games also--with a longtime wargaming friend. A buddy that you trust and you both know the rules to the particular game you are playing.
"Forty years after a battle it is easy for a non-combatant to reason about how it ought to have been fought. It is another thing personally and under fire to direct the fighting while involved in the obscuring smoke of it."
-Herman Melville
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| 23 OCT 2009 at 6:10pm |
smittyohioCenturion
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Status : Offline | I haven't downloaded the full version yet, but I don't think that it's a collectible card game in the sense of Magic or Pokemon. I think maybe you can unlock cards during the campaign, or possibly multiplayer, but I don't believe you'd have to purchase new cards. Could be wrong... but I didn't see any "booster" like packs on Live.
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| 26 OCT 2009 at 10:33pm |
Corporal TrimCenturion
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By honestabe
Can you tell me/us a little more about it Trim? Does it have random generated maps/missions? How does multiplayer work when you get a chance to try it? Hotseat? PBEM? (I have never had a X-box/modern console so if I ask stupid questions it's because I have no idea how they work online). It says collectable cards does that mean you'll be able to get more online? How does it score victories, what are the victory conditions? Anything other than I played it a couple of days and love it would be welcome information. {g}
Let me take a stab at this, honestabe.
* The solo campaign has a scripted series of missions leading you from D-Day towards the end of the ETO campaign. Despite the Panzer General title, you can only play this as the Americans. There is a skirmish mode where you can play on various maps as either side. There is no mapmaking editor.
* Haven't gotten around to Multiplayer yet. (With Forza Motorsport 3 releasing tomorrow, I'm more stoked about driving a race car online than playing PG AA.) But on XBL, these games generally fall into two categories, unranked matches you play for fun (often with people on your Friends List to whom you can send an invitation to play), or ranked matches played for blood which earn a placing on the Leaderboards. It's pretty simple, log into Live, enter your preferences and you'll automatically get matched with someone. Player turns are capped at 5 minutes. There is no hotseat.
* The collectible cards are earned by winning a scenario (2 cards for a standard victory, 3 for superior) or when you earn an Achievement. I suppose it's possible to win them on Live as well. The only benefit that I can see to "owning" the cards is being able to sort the deck for use in either solo or online play. Their appearance in the game is randomized in any case, but players will be able to stack the deck somewhat in their favor by including more powerful units, or cards which feature their preferred tactical moves.
* The victory conditions are multiple. Do one of these to win: capture the enemy home base tile, capture 3 adjacent enemy tiles on his home row, capture x amount of critical tiles (such as a key city) or eliminate all enemy units.
Steve
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| 27 OCT 2009 at 5:22am |
honestabeCenturion
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Status : Online | Thank you Trim that was what I was looking for. Good review of the overall game.
A.I. production-it's more like, Okay, the games about ready--lets stick some A.I. in- you have 3 weeks.
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| 27 OCT 2009 at 6:27am |
BarthheartCenturion
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Status : Offline | I bought this game and it's fun for a beer and pretzels game. Real fun when you are actually drinking beer!
It's definatley NOT PG but it's fun in it's own way. I'm playing through the campaign and then will try out making a deck and multiplayer.
Cpl. Trim want a game sometime? My GT is Gordo Bartheart
You come into the world cold, wet, and screaming... there's no reason not to go out the same way! - annual River Rat canoe trip slogan.
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