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5 JUL 2010 at 2:50pm

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Originally Posted By Arctic Blast
        The only way this release with the game in this shape makes sense is if the devs were flat broke, and just didn't have any revenue left to spend on development.    
        If that is the case, we are all in trouble who bought it since I'm guessing sales were not and will not be that great in the short term....not sure if the amount of income gained will be enough to cover the many months of further refinement likely required for this game


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5 JUL 2010 at 3:30pm

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I think everyone should just chill out with all of the overly negative feedback, doom-and-gloom, the sky is falling, the world is coming to an end impressions.  If you listen to some of the feedback that actually talks about what is in the game, you'll see its not all that bad.  Besides, as of 1.07, the game was still FUN to play.  I have not tried to play since 1.08, but if it nerfed anything, I have no doubt it will be fixed. In the meantime, the back and forth about how "unfinished" the game was at release is completely unproductive, and quite frankly, boring. I think everyone who has even a passing interest in this game knows by now that there are some issues.   Move on already. [sm=sFun_DeadHorse.gif]

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5 JUL 2010 at 4:49pm

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It will be hard for the game to succeed after a 4.0 on Gamespot.  Unless they have changed their policy, Gamespot does not re-review old games because they got fixed.  That 4.0 is a permanent badge of, well, whatever it's a badge of.

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5 JUL 2010 at 5:25pm

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How did Gamespot get their hands on a review copy?  Usually they're sent out by the publisher, right?  Why would Muzzy Lane send something out for review that they knew was in such hideous shape?

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5 JUL 2010 at 6:15pm

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Something stated on the Quarter to Three forums about Guardians of Graxia made me wonder regarding the release date. Apparently Steam and other digital outlets have "release slots" similar to B&M retail stores and you have to apply for them and wait for approval. I'm wondering if the decision for the early release is due to this? And, AFAIK, once a game is released it is pretty normal for journalistic outlets to get review copies pretty quickly. There was a HUGE stink because the developers of the new game APB tried to enforce a two-week post-release moratorium on reviews from all review outlets, something pretty unorthodox and slightly shady (as in, we want people to succumb to temptation before they read how crap this game is). So it isn't very kosher to ask reviewers to wait, so I suspect Muzzy Lane had no choice here with the Gamespot review. SoM

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5 JUL 2010 at 6:21pm

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Originally Posted By son_of_montfort
        Something stated on the Quarter to Three forums about Guardians of Graxia made me wonder regarding the release date. Apparently Steam and other digital outlets have "release slots" similar to B&M retail stores and you have to apply for them and wait for approval. I'm wondering if the decision for the early release is due to this?         And, AFAIK, once a game is released it is pretty normal for journalistic outlets to get review copies pretty quickly. There was a HUGE stink because the developers of the new game APB tried to enforce a two-week post-release moratorium on reviews from all review outlets, something pretty unorthodox and slightly shady (as in, we want people to succumb to temptation before they read how crap this game is). So it isn't very kosher to ask reviewers to wait, so I suspect Muzzy Lane had no choice here with the Gamespot review.         SoM    
          That is very interesting.  I wonder how that company thought they could enforce the review delay, does seem a little shady and hard to do since anybody could go pick up the game and review it


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5 JUL 2010 at 6:22pm

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Bah. Gamespot. If I listened to them I never would have bought Civ2:Test of Time, UFO Extraterrestrials or Civ3: Play the World. I always read multiple reviews, read multiple forums then make a decision to buy or not. I think MH2 will be just fine.

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5 JUL 2010 at 6:43pm

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wow.. all the hype on this game over the last several months and then a less than stellar release.. I'm glad I'm not working on those patches....  oh well it could be much worse, we could all contract syphilis or some odorous foot disease.  They'll get it but it may take a while ...

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6 JUL 2010 at 10:27am

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I always thought the first game was a poor mans HOI,and that review seems to confirm the second is the same.

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6 JUL 2010 at 10:31am

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Originally Posted By Ashbery76
I always thought the first game was a poor mans HOI,and that review seems to confirm the second is the same.
I disagree. MH was far more fun, playable, and balanced that HoI. In fact, one could actually FINISH a game within a year, which gives it a huge leg up on HoI and its "offspring." SoM

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6 JUL 2010 at 10:33am

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I know that the intent was to make Making History II a less complicated, but satisfyingly realistic WWII strategy game.  Great effort was placed into designing mechanics that reflect real world functions like economics (in addition to combat).  To call it a "poor man's" anything is, IMHO, unfair.  I believe the intent was to establish a franchise that stands on its own, like Axis & Allies and Strategic Command. 

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6 JUL 2010 at 12:11pm

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Thanks, Longblade, that is what we hope to do.  AFA the release of MHII, I could give you the reasons why the decision was made, but it would just sound like I was making excuses, and we don't want to go down that road.  Instead, we are working as hard as we can busting our --somewhat bruised-- balls to continue improving the game and making it something that we and our fans can be happy with. Chris--

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18 JUL 2010 at 11:47am

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Folks, been holding off on this one based on the issues at release. Anyone who has the game want to make a comment on the latest patch? Is it ready for prime-time?

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18 JUL 2010 at 1:43pm

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I have spoken to the devs at length regarding the latest patch and they tell me that largely the consensus on their forums from gamers is that the tone of the conversation has shifted from "the game isn't stable" to much smaller issues.  A major patch was released (see the front page; I posted the full release notes late last night) and they feel like they're well on the way to seeing this game emerge as it has always been intended. One of the most interesting and, to me, exciting things is that Making History II has a number of "non-traditional" aspects to the game.  Money supply and the economy are modeled in unique and realistic ways courtesy of extensive help from Niall Ferguson.  There are some other aspects to the game that also look interesting, and I'm working with the devs to bring more of those aspects to light so you guys can read about them. We're holding off on a review of the game until it's stable.  A review at this point seems superfluous:  by now most gamers and reviews have been published discussing the instability.  It's no secret. So we want to see what happens in another patch or two.  By then Making History II should have the major bugs squished and many of the minor ones. Then we'll give it a hard look and let you know what we think.

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18 JUL 2010 at 1:45pm

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Originally Posted By Bossy573
        Folks, been holding off on this one based on the issues at release. Anyone who has the game want to make a comment on the latest patch? Is it ready for prime-time?    
        Latest 1.10 patch just came out yesterday, so probably gonna take a bit for people to figure it out.  At this point, I'm going to hold off a bit and let a few more patches come out before I jump back in.  I just have too many other things going on right now that will prevent me from really diving in at this point, especially from a testing perspective.  Best source of information is at the official forums.  The developer has been releasing a patch a week and plans to continue with that approach in the foreseeable future so they are working at it.

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20 JUL 2010 at 2:56pm

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[font="arial"][size="2"] Thanks, Longblade!  It’s been quite a busy past few weeks.  The improvement in the game has been very significant in performance, gameplay and features.  Anyone who wants to check out the game at no risk can now get the free demo from our site or a bunch of others.  The demo is the complete game, but it limits players to one scenario and 50 turns. [size="2"] [font="arial"][size="2"]  [size="2"] [font="arial"][size="2"]The demo also has the auto-updater, so it will update to the latest and greatest version of the game.  1.0.10 was a huge update, and we’ve released two more in just the last couple days!  We felt it was critical to get a demo out because we want people to see how far the game has come in a very short time.  The game in that Gamespot review no longer exists.  And we aren’t slowing down.  The new multiplayer service is coming soon, too. Chris-- [font="arial"][size="2"][size="0"]

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20 JUL 2010 at 3:17pm

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Originally Posted By DigitusImpudicus
[font="arial"][size="2"] Thanks, Longblade!  It’s been quite a busy past few weeks.  The improvement in the game has been very significant in performance, gameplay and features.  Anyone who wants to check out the game at no risk can now get the free demo from our site or a bunch of others.  The demo is the complete game, but it limits players to one scenario and 50 turns. [size="2"] [font="arial"][size="2"]  [size="2"] [font="arial"][size="2"]The demo also has the auto-updater, so it will update to the latest and greatest version of the game.  1.0.10 was a huge update, and we’ve released two more in just the last couple days!  We felt it was critical to get a demo out because we want people to see how far the game has come in a very short time.  The game in that Gamespot review no longer exists.  And we aren’t slowing down.  The new multiplayer service is coming soon, too. Chris-- [font="arial"][size="2"][size="0"]
Does the Impulse version auto-update, because it seems that haven't really updated much at all!

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20 JUL 2010 at 5:46pm

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Originally Posted By son_of_montfort
Originally Posted By DigitusImpudicus
[font="arial"][size="2"] Thanks, Longblade!  It’s been quite a busy past few weeks.  The improvement in the game has been very significant in performance, gameplay and features.  Anyone who wants to check out the game at no risk can now get the free demo from our site or a bunch of others.  The demo is the complete game, but it limits players to one scenario and 50 turns. [size="2"] [font="arial"][size="2"]  [size="2"] [font="arial"][size="2"]The demo also has the auto-updater, so it will update to the latest and greatest version of the game.  1.0.10 was a huge update, and we’ve released two more in just the last couple days!  We felt it was critical to get a demo out because we want people to see how far the game has come in a very short time.  The game in that Gamespot review no longer exists.  And we aren’t slowing down.  The new multiplayer service is coming soon, too.    Chris--    [font="arial"][size="2"][size="0"]
Does the Impulse version auto-update, because it seems that haven't really updated much at all!
When you start the game, do you get an update notice?  What versions (game and launcher) are you currently using? Chris--

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20 JUL 2010 at 6:14pm

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I got the update notice, thanks! Looks like it updated fully. Quick question, is there any way to change the view angle of the map?

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20 JUL 2010 at 7:14pm

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Can someone try it out and let me know if the game is working well now? I bought it but haven't played it yet because I didn't want to waste my time. I'm waiting for someone to report that it is doing well.
          Thanks!

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20 JUL 2010 at 10:47pm

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Originally Posted By son_of_montfort
I got the update notice, thanks! Looks like it updated fully. Quick question, is there any way to change the view angle of the map?
Hi SoM, Pretty sure its Home and End, if not its Ins/Del or PgUp/PgDn

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20 JUL 2010 at 10:50pm

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Originally Posted By jjdenver
Can someone try it out and let me know if the game is working well now? I bought it but haven't played it yet because I didn't want to waste my time. I'm waiting for someone to report that it is doing well.
  Thanks!
Why not give it a try? Try the short tutorial posted at the official site here: http://making-history.com/products/mhii_tutorial Then take 20-50 turns after that and make up your own mind? [
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22 JUL 2010 at 11:31pm

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Originally Posted By son_of_montfort
I got the update notice, thanks! Looks like it updated fully. Quick question, is there any way to change the view angle of the map?
Home and End keys change angle.

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