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| 7 SEP 2010 at 10:29am |
bboyer66Colonel
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Status : Offline | While I think it is a bad idea, I really dont have a problem with him doing it. This is America and we should be able to burn anything we want, excluding children of course. Maybe someone can burn a Bible, you know an equal time thing.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 10:32am |
LongBladeGeneral
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Status : Offline | I agree it's a bad idea.
I also agree it's his right to do so.
What I don't get is why General Petraeus is out there calling for restraint. I realize it *could* inflame the bad guys more. But we're already at war with them. Are we really that scared that we're worried they'll get meaner?
http://www.foxnews.com/...s-churchs-koran-burning/
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 10:34am |
GusingtonGeneral
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Status : Offline | Any kind of book burning is a tad unsavory to me. Just sayin'.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 10:45am |
TpekCommander
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Status : Offline | Book burnings are never a good sign.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 10:51am |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | Which ever government, religion, god, or diety you subscribe to, burning a book based on someone else's belief system only serves to undermine your own.
He may have the right but it doesn't make him any less hypocritical...
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 11:10am |
pirimeisterCenturion
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Gusington
Any kind of book burning is a tad unsavory to me. Just sayin'.
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+ 1, Gus.
If I may make an amendment to your sentence, bboyer, it would be "we should be able to burn anything we want excluding children and books, in that order."
JERRY:"Vomitting is not a deal breaker. If Hitler had vomitted on Chamberlain,Chamberlain still would have given him Czechoslovakia".
GEORGE:"Chamberlain... You could hold his head in the toilet, he'd still give you half of Europe"
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 11:35am |
critterCommander
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Azzurri
Which ever government, religion, god, or diety you subscribe to, burning a book based on someone else's belief system only serves to undermine your own.
He may have the right but it doesn't make him any less hypocritical...
+1
Plus it goes to show we have no right to ask them about consideration with the ground zero mosque.
You know what's sad? My first thought was, "Gah! She overcooked the bacon!" - Martok
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 11:41am |
MikeckCommander
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Status : Offline | Doesnt break my heart. NAtions all over the world prohibit possession of the bible. We're better than that but if this guy wants to waste his time, so be it. I am growing tired of Muslims going apoplectic when someone draws a picture of Mohammed or destroys a Koran or whatever. Boys will be boys.
"love is preserved by link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails."
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 12:10pm |
WertheimerCenturion
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Status : Offline | The Koran burners are missing the point... Protest fanaticism, of any kind, not the faith. That is what we at war with, the crazy fanatics who use religion to justify their madness. We are supposed to be a country that respects all faiths. As a Christian, I find the burning upsetting as tolerance is supposed to be a Christian virtue.
But, that is only my point of view, I suppose...
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 12:12pm |
JsherfyCenturion
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Status : Offline | As i believe John Lennon pointed out, you gotta buy one to burn it. Sort of makes it a little less painful if you are the one getting royalties..........I see this pastor has his own book, surprise surprise that he'd want to generate some publicity.
Some time ago I found someone's essay which pointed out that Christians had very much been happy to use the sword to spread the word many years and centuries ago. The interesting thing this person pointed out was that as western governments started to have separation of church and state this seemed to put an end of the church using the military of the state to spread its influence. Look at South America. Why are there so many Catholics there?
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 12:35pm |
Saint RuthCenturion
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Jsherfy
time ago I found someone's essay which pointed out that Christians had very much been happy to use the sword to spread the word many years and centuries ago. The interesting thing this person pointed out was that as western governments started to have separation of church and state this seemed to put an end of the church using the military of the state to spread its influence. Look at South America. Why are there so many Catholics there
South American is Catholic because the Spanish and Portugese went there.
But they did not go there because of God, they went there because of Gold.
Christainity spread though Europe peacefully (the majority of the time).
Most forced convertions was one Christian group trying to convert another Christain group.
And one should note that Christian Holy Wars, the Crusades, had no interest in using the sword to spread the faith. They did not go to the holy land to convert the locals, but to recapture the Holy Lands.
Now, are you suggesting that the Christian churches are using the US military to spread Christianity??
Are you saying that the Christian Chruch ordered the US gov to invade Irag?
As to burning the koran...that's decidedly unChristian IMHO...
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 12:45pm |
GreybriarCommander
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Status : Offline | They should read those copies of the Quran before burning them. They might just learn something--"know thine enemy" and all that.
This war is not about slavery. --Robert E. Lee
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 12:57pm |
TpekCommander
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Christainity spread though Europe peacefully (the majority of the time).
Most forced convertions was one Christian group trying to convert another Christain group.
And one should note that Christian Holy Wars, the Crusades, had no interest in using the sword to spread the faith. They did not go to the holy land to convert the locals, but to recapture the Holy Lands.
The Crusades went through Europe and the Holy Land killing all non-Christians. And while in Jerusalem they built many churches, either by constructing outright or turning other religious structures into them.
They DID spread Christianity by the sword.
And Christianity did spread around Europe through the Roman Empire enforcing it.
Jews suffered horribly for refusing to convert. Persecutions, massacres, being dispossessed of all property, relocated to the poorest sections of settlements, and more.
With all due respect. As good as Christianity is these modern times, the Christians in the old ages certainly weren't such amiable people as well.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 1:33pm |
JsherfyCenturion
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Saint Ruth
Christainity spread though Europe peacefully (the majority of the time).
Most forced convertions was one Christian group trying to convert another Christain group.
And one should note that Christian Holy Wars, the Crusades, had no interest in using the sword to spread the faith. They did not go to the holy land to convert the locals, but to recapture the Holy Lands.
Now, are you suggesting that the Christian churches are using the US military to spread Christianity??
Are you saying that the Christian Chruch ordered the US gov to invade Irag?
As to burning the koran...that's decidedly unChristian IMHO...
No, I am saying that back during the days of exploration and before, the church was a willing rider to the new world to convert the "ignorant" locals. While the church looked to increase its flock (and power) it also was able to do this because it had the military support of the european power to protect "god's servants." So no this isn't part of our invasion of Iraq. But also as to South America, I wonder how many of the local people were converted while the europeans were grabbing all the gold.....I don't think all of South America is catholic strictly through immigrants from Spain and Portugal.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 1:35pm |
MikeckCommander
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Status : Offline | well either way, its not the 16th century anymore. A large portion of one religion is trying to force the rest of the world to convert and one isnt. One has a large percentage of its followers cutting off peoples heads and throwing rocks at the heads of half buried women who were raped and the other doesnt. Last time I checked, nobody in the last 400 years was killed because he drew a picture of Jesus Christ. If they burn the Koran, I couldnt care less.
God Bless Charles Martel
"love is preserved by link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails."
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 1:39pm |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Mikeck
One has a large percentage of its followers cutting off peoples heads and throwing rocks at the heads of half buried women who were raped and the other doesnt.
Mike, come on my man!
"Large"?
Surely you recognize that these fanatics make up only a very small percentage of the Muslim community and faith.
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 1:46pm |
UbercatCommander
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Azzurri
Surely you recognize that these fanatics make up only a very small percentage of the Muslim community and faith.
What did the very large percentage of the Muslim community do after the 9/11 attacks? If they weren't celebrating in the streets, they were deafening us with a resounding silence.
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen Roberts
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-William H. Gascoyne
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 1:47pm |
fullhouseCenturion
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Status : Offline | Imagine if the situation was reversed with a Mosque deciding to burn a Bible on 9/11, there would be up roar.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 1:56pm |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ubercat
Originally Posted By Azzurri
Surely you recognize that these fanatics make up only a very small percentage of the Muslim community and faith.
What did the very large percentage of the Muslim community do after the 9/11 attacks? If they weren't celebrating in the streets, they were deafening us with a resounding silence.
I agree. But "fanaticism" in a terroristic sense, as in this case, does not include celebration, right?
Maybe I misunderstood you: are you saying or suggesting that they are fanatical because they celebrated after the attacks?
For me, that does make them fanactics, at least in this context.
Poor examples of human beings would be a more apt description.
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 2:03pm |
fullhouseCenturion
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ubercat
Originally Posted By Azzurri
Surely you recognize that these fanatics make up only a very small percentage of the Muslim community and faith.
What did the very large percentage of the Muslim community do after the 9/11 attacks? If they weren't celebrating in the streets, they were deafening us with a resounding silence.
Muslim Community is so broad and diverse as to be a an almost meaningless phrase.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 2:04pm |
mscanoCommander
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Azzurri
He may have the right but it doesn't make him any less hypocritical...
That's funny. That's exactly what I say about the Mosque being built near ground zero.
I personally don't think it's such a great idea, but he does have the right. Like someone once said, The first amendement is not there to protect the speech we all agree with, but to protect the speech we don't.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 2:06pm |
fullhouseCenturion
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By mscano
Originally Posted By Azzurri
He may have the right but it doesn't make him any less hypocritical...
That's funny. That's exactly what I say about the Mosque being built near ground zero.
I personally don't think it's such a great idea, but he does have the right. Like someone once said, The first amendement is not there to protect the speech we all agree with, but to protect the speech we don't.
What if some Muslims wanted to burn a US flag?
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 2:25pm |
Otis CampbellCenturion
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Status : Online | Its fun to sit and watch the religulous fight over which religion is "true"...sad thing is they dont care who gets hurt.
Otis Campbell.....religion free since i could read.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 2:37pm |
critterCommander
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By fullhouse
What if some Muslims wanted to burn a US flag?
Let them...
The country I love can stand it. The country I love has its sons and daughters dying right now to give them the right.
The thing that bothers me is after all the hype, all thats gonna be left is ashes and the bad feelings it left. This from a self proclaimed pastor with a book to sell.
You know what's sad? My first thought was, "Gah! She overcooked the bacon!" - Martok
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