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| 7 SEP 2010 at 5:55pm |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | Simply put, burning a sacred item is an asinine and hypocritical act and one of condemnation.
This guy is just feeding the flames and, in so doing, he perpetuates the violent cycle of retribution.
Take the blinders off people; all sides hold equal accountability.
No ones beliefs are better are more true than another's.
Muslim, Christian, Jew...does it matter?
One planet. One belief.
Peace.
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 5:56pm |
TpekCommander
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Status : Offline | ^Let's move it there then...
So you know terrorists are using a new weapon that causes Global Warming, right? [sm=00000613.gif]
Just joking... no GW in this thread.
Honestly, this thread seems quite civilized to me so far (maybe because I'm an Israeli and used to vulgarities). Then again, if I offended or hurt anyone here I do apologize.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 5:57pm |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By marvingardns
I totally thought this was going to R&P within six posts.
Tolerance practiced.
Amazing!
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 6:02pm |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Tpek
To answer some of my questions:
Some years ago there was a poll/census among Palestinians, checking what percentage believed they should practice Terrorism. 80% voted for terrorism. 80% is the vast majority. It is not some few radical extremists, some 'bad weeds'.
Not trying to be contrite Tpek, but have you ever heard of a man named Goebbels?
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 6:09pm |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | So as none here will try manipulate my question or confuse my meaning I will answer my own query:
Propoganda.
Israeli or Palenstinian, doesn't matter.
Both sides us it to influence their position. Just the nature of man and politics by extension.
I pose this question to you Tpek...80% you say???
I'd wager if I put 10 Palestinians in a room 8 would not want to continue to wage war but, rather, they would like to feed and raise their family in a safe, peaceful, and cooperative environment.
Same can be said for the the Israeli.
Agree?
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 6:32pm |
TpekCommander
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Status : Offline | I guess.
Though just to point out, if you are going to pick any 10 Palestinians/Israelis I can assure you, you can come up with any result you'd like by picking certain people.
Pick Hamas party members and you'd get a different thing from picking other part of the populace for an example.
Statistics need to be carried over a larger scale to obtain more accurate results.
I can find you a group of 10 Israelis, 8 of which believe the Moon is made of Cheese. (Though not all will agree which type)
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 6:35pm |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Tpek
I guess.
Though just to point out, if you are going to pick any 10 Palestinians/Israelis I can assure you, you can come up with any result you'd like by picking certain people.
Pick Hamas party members and you'd get a different thing from picking other part of the populace for an example.
Statistics need to be carried over a larger scale to obtain more accurate results.
I can find you a group of 10 Israelis, 8 of which believe the Moon is made of Cheese. (Though not all will agree which type)
You seem to contradict yourself, Tpek.
Is it the Hamas that are fanatical or most (a large percentage, as you claim) Muslims?
I could pick 10 inmates and 8 would say "they didn't do it."
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 6:39pm |
endfire79Commander
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This book burner is trying to get attention, and he got it. This is only one guy (so far, I hope). He represents a small denomination, reminds me of that Rev Phelps douche (another attention seeker). There's fanatics abroad, and unfortunately, there are a few here as well. Unfortunately, ignorance is bliss to the fanatic mindset, globally.
His amendment rights aside, book burnings were never part of American values and never will be. No one in their right minds would morally support his actions. If you do... [sm=crazy.gif]
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 6:42pm |
spacecowboy67Centurion
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Status : Offline | My biggest concern about the people burning books is the larger cultural undercurrents it represents. It doesn't sound like anything from the New Testament that I've ever read. To get to this point there must be a "doctrine of hate" being preached. It's all to familiar with certain sects in America, they spend more time preaching hate toward other faiths than preaching about who they purport to follow. Who does that remind you of in a worldwide context?
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 6:54pm |
TpekCommander
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Azzurri
Originally Posted By Tpek
I guess.
Though just to point out, if you are going to pick any 10 Palestinians/Israelis I can assure you, you can come up with any result you'd like by picking certain people.
Pick Hamas party members and you'd get a different thing from picking other part of the populace for an example.
Statistics need to be carried over a larger scale to obtain more accurate results.
I can find you a group of 10 Israelis, 8 of which believe the Moon is made of Cheese. (Though not all will agree which type)
You seem to contradict yourself, Tpek.
Is it the Hamas that are fanatical or most (a large percentage, as you claim) Muslims?
I could pick 10 inmates and 8 would say "they didn't do it."
Hamas are fanatical, Hamas are all Muslims, but not all Muslims are Hamas.
I could search and pick so I'd have 8 peaceful Palestinians, and I could go for Hamas to get a certainty for violent ones.
So it is not a contradiction. All Hamas are Muslim and Fanatical, but not all Muslim are fanatical, not all Muslim are Hamas and not all Fanatics are Hamas. The fact that Hamas are fanatics does not detract from having non-Hamas Muslims being Fanatics.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 7:12pm |
ArmyairCenturion
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Status : Online | This is just fu%king stupid!!!!. I am all for it if those toothless jackasses toss in the Torah, the King James Bible, The NIV Bible, Scientology, and all the other horse shit on top of the fire as they mount their 12 year old daughter.
If it enrages one dumbass 3rd world ass clown to kill an America service person, I would like to personally roll down there with my Sig and nuke those dipshits. although a 590A! would work too!!!!
If you have not put a round down range in Ashitastan or Iraq then keep you war tourist opinions private. Again, stupid shit.
A combat vet (not a fu*king war tourist)
Armyair
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 7:15pm |
TpekCommander
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Status : Offline | Well, if you toss the Bible you'd already be tossing the Torah in (the Torah is the 5 first books in the Bible). As for Scientology, no one would care if you toss it's books into the fire. Not non-Scientologists, and not even Scientologists themselves as they would already get the money from you buying their books. [sm=00000622.gif]
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 7:23pm |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | You make us all proud Armyair.
Please tell me this personality trait is not emblematic of all your colleagues?
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 7:36pm |
Jarhead0331Colonel
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Status : Offline | I think they'll somehow get over it...
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[image]http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/AP_tehran_flag_burning3.jpg[/image]
Seriously...F* them...an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. These photographs are a dime a dozen. I swear, burning flags is a national past time for these people. Its like, while the rest of the world is sitting around the dinner table talking about what the kids did at school, or watching old Seinfeld re-runs, these people are out in the street burning flags. They indiscriminately disrespect and insult my culture, religion and national identity on a fairly routine basis, yet if someone says anything negative about Allah, that person has practically signed their own death warrant. Its an inflammatory double standard of the worst kind that I will not tolerate.
"And They shall know no fear, for they are fear incarnate"
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 7:44pm |
TpekCommander
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Status : Offline | Seinfeld Re-runs? is your TV flooded by them too?
Honestly, you can't escape this show at all. No matter how great it was at its day. Today I can't stand hearing its theme anymore.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 7:56pm |
lancerunolfssonCenturion
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Status : Offline | There is actually hardly a single opinion in this thread I can not agree with on some level. Though they are in many cases contradictory. I'm tired of everybody having to go out of their way to avoid offending Islam. And I'm tired of our own homegrown religious fringe.
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 8:23pm |
MohawkDaddyCenturion
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Status : Offline | Somebody make up my mind, is it the religion of peace or a religion of people who go ape shyte at the slightest provocation?
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| 7 SEP 2010 at 8:45pm |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | Fanatical Muslims, Hamas, Taliban, and Al Queda cannot conquer America.
Only Americans can defeat America.
We are on that path to that destruction.
We have begun to infringe upon our own personal freedoms as a government in response to our fear as a nation of these radicals. We have broken our own Constitutional laws and guidelines for some perceived greater purpose to bring all of theses terrorists to justice without due process. We have broken the Geneva Convention and suspended its significance because it did not match our goals.
The very things that once made our nation great are being lost in the pursuit of this crusade.
The forces aligned against America are relishing in the fact that we continue to compromise ourselves, our beliefs, and our identity.
America was once respected for its force of will, its generosity towards others, and its indomitable spirit.
Time to remember who we are not what we want others to be.
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 8 SEP 2010 at 1:22am |
OstfrontCenturion
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Azzurri
Fanatical Muslims, Hamas, Taliban, and Al Queda cannot conquer America.
Only Americans can defeat America.
We are on that path to that destruction.
We have begun to infringe upon our own personal freedoms as a government in response to our fear as a nation of these radicals. We have broken our own Constitutional laws and guidelines for some perceived greater purpose to bring all of theses terrorist's to justice without due process. We have broken the Geneva Convention and suspended it's significance because it did not match our goals.
The very things that once made our nation great are being lost in the pursuit of this crusade.
The forces aligned against America are relishing in the fact that we continue to compromise ourselves, our beliefs, and our identity.
America was once respected for it's force of will, it's generosity towards others, and it's indomitable spirit.
Time to remember who we are not what we want others to be.
WTF... are you talking about?
Only Americans can defeat America. Are we on that path to that destruction?
Are you talking about a new civil war that would kill millions of Americans?
And what's this crusade crap your talking about?
Get a grip on your self!!!
it's just a bad dream.
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| 8 SEP 2010 at 6:11am |
jnierCenturion
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ostfront
Originally Posted By Azzurri
Fanatical Muslims, Hamas, Taliban, and Al Queda cannot conquer America.
Only Americans can defeat America.
We are on that path to that destruction.
We have begun to infringe upon our own personal freedoms as a government in response to our fear as a nation of these radicals. We have broken our own Constitutional laws and guidelines for some perceived greater purpose to bring all of theses terrorist's to justice without due process. We have broken the Geneva Convention and suspended it's significance because it did not match our goals.
The very things that once made our nation great are being lost in the pursuit of this crusade.
The forces aligned against America are relishing in the fact that we continue to compromise ourselves, our beliefs, and our identity.
America was once respected for it's force of will, it's generosity towards others, and it's indomitable spirit.
Time to remember who we are not what we want others to be.
WTF... are you talking about?
Only Americans can defeat America. Are we on that path to that destruction?
Are you talking about a new civil war that would kill millions of Americans?
And what's this crusade crap your talking about?
Get a grip on your self!!!
it's just a bad dream.
I think what he's saying is quite obvious. Compromising our values is far more threatening, in the long term, to the integrity of our nation than these extremist loons ever will be.
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| 8 SEP 2010 at 6:45am |
MikeckCommander
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Armyair
This is just fu%king stupid!!!!. I am all for it if those toothless jackasses toss in the Torah, the King James Bible, The NIV Bible, Scientology, and all the other horse shit on top of the fire as they mount their 12 year old daughter.
If it enrages one dumbass 3rd world ass clown to kill an America service person, I would like to personally roll down there with my Sig and nuke those dipshits. although a 590A! would work too!!!!
If you have not put a round down range in Ashitastan or Iraq then keep you war tourist opinions private. Again, stupid shit.
A combat vet (not a fu*king war tourist)
Mom! get off of the forum!
"love is preserved by link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails."
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| 8 SEP 2010 at 7:08am |
paweljCommander
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Status : Offline | Whether or not they are "truly" oppressed is actually less important than the fact that they feel that such is the case... and that it is giving them a cause to fight. Every incident just "builds" that case. Be it the burning or a Koran in Florida, the ban on minarets in Switzerland, or whatever next month's headline will be.
I think it is important whether we deal with truth or delusion. Hitler made his ideology partly on the a idea that Germany was oppressed by the "unjust" Versailles Treaty imposed as a result defeat due to Jewish inspired Communist/Socialist "stab in the back", as well as supposed oppression of German minorities in Czechoslovakia and Poland. None of these excuses were true, but repeated enough times were believed by many Germans. Did any of this deserved respect and made his cause any more valid? Just because many people believe it does not make it true. Respecting delusions will only validate them.
While many Muslims are not extremists, moderates give the air of respectability to the extremists.
I wonder how many news organisations will be outside that church on 9/11 reporting on events?
"...One Nation, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All."
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| 8 SEP 2010 at 7:54am |
Azzurri
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By jnier
Originally Posted By Ostfront
Originally Posted By Azzurri
Fanatical Muslims, Hamas, Taliban, and Al Queda cannot conquer America.
Only Americans can defeat America.
We are on that path to that destruction.
We have begun to infringe upon our own personal freedoms as a government in response to our fear as a nation of these radicals. We have broken our own Constitutional laws and guidelines for some perceived greater purpose to bring all of theses terrorist's to justice without due process. We have broken the Geneva Convention and suspended it's significance because it did not match our goals.
The very things that once made our nation great are being lost in the pursuit of this crusade.
The forces aligned against America are relishing in the fact that we continue to compromise ourselves, our beliefs, and our identity.
America was once respected for it's force of will, it's generosity towards others, and it's indomitable spirit.
Time to remember who we are not what we want others to be.
WTF... are you talking about?
Only Americans can defeat America. Are we on that path to that destruction?
Are you talking about a new civil war that would kill millions of Americans?
And what's this crusade crap your talking about?
Get a grip on your self!!!
it's just a bad dream.
I think what he's saying is quite obvious. Compromising our values is far more threatening, in the long term, to the integrity of our nation than these extremist loons ever will be.
Thanks jnier for being much more concise and laconic in your description than I was.
*Ostfront has always struggled with analogies but we here still admire his innovative usage of acronyms.[:-]
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 8 SEP 2010 at 9:17am |
GusingtonGeneral
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Status : Offline | The civil tone is fraying a bit...
I'm glad my character uses a shield because I may be taking a bashing here soon.
- Rayfer
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