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| 8 OCT 2010 at 10:11am |
ShelldrakeCommander


Posts : 2742 Joined: 1 NOV 2006 Location: CA, Nova Scotia
Status : Offline | And both I-War games too. Note that you have to buy the multi-game Atari package to get these games for $3, otherwise the price is just over $4 - still a great deal!
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| 8 OCT 2010 at 12:24pm |
MIGMasterCommander


Posts : 2123 Joined: 4 MAY 2003
Status : Offline | I was thinking about picking up the Jagged Alliance games.....I really need a turn-based tactical warfare fix..... anybody have any other suggestions ?
"We like our women like our gaming - Hardcore !" LongBlade, circa 2008

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| 8 OCT 2010 at 12:26pm |
airboy45Centurion


Posts : 780 Joined: 12 NOV 2009 Location: 0
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MIGMaster
I was thinking about picking up the Jagged Alliance games.....I really need a turn-based tactical warfare fix..... anybody have any other suggestions ?
If you get a JA game - get JA2. It is much better on modern systems.
I replayed JA2 within the last couple of months. Very fun game.
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| 8 OCT 2010 at 12:38pm |
EyebiterCommander


Posts : 1232 Joined: 28 DEC 2004
Status : Offline | If you want a real challenge add the JA2 1.13 mod
http://www.ja-galaxy-fo...Number=236228#Post236228
Buy your share of freedom... today!
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| 8 OCT 2010 at 2:41pm |
MontesanoCenturion


Posts : 62 Joined: 27 MAR 2010
Status : Offline | Anyone ever tried Fallout Tactics? I never picked it up back when it came out, is it any good?
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| 8 OCT 2010 at 3:12pm |
Sol InvictusCenturion

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Posts : 967 Joined: 6 APR 2005 Location: US
Status : Offline | I am very tempted to pick up MOO 1&2 and MOM but I just bought Realms of Arkania 1&2 and Betrayal at Krondor. I am also sorely tempted to get Fallout 2 and Tactics. Plenty of cheap solid gaming out there. As soon as AOW: Shadow Magic is released I am all over it. Good times!
"The fruit of too much liberty is slavery" Cicero
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| 8 OCT 2010 at 6:52pm |
MIGMasterCommander


Posts : 2123 Joined: 4 MAY 2003
Status : Offline | Fallout Tactics is a good little game. It needed a bit more polish re: some of the dialogue and a few bugs here and there, but I liked it enough to play it thru to the end.
"We like our women like our gaming - Hardcore !" LongBlade, circa 2008

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| 8 OCT 2010 at 6:56pm |
RayferCommander


Posts : 1857 Joined: 19 FEB 2006 Location: US, Michigan
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Montesano
Anyone ever tried Fallout Tactics? I never picked it up back when it came out, is it any good?
If I remember correctly it got panned when it came out....I played in a few years back after picking it up cheap somewhere and was quite surprised with how good it was. Sort of a squad based tactical, turn based game in the Fallout universe using the same engine but without the deep role play and story of the original two games. But fun none the less, quite challenging.
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| 8 OCT 2010 at 7:22pm |
MarkShotCommander


Posts : 2935 Joined: 3 MAR 2004 Location: US
Status : Offline | Considering MOO 1/2/3 as I've never played any of these space 4Xs.
The problem isn't the money, but more like I already have enough new stuff (BG 1/2) and enough old stuff (too long a list) to play. Either the games will side track me or they will just sit uninstalled & unplayed. Still it is tempting.
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| 8 OCT 2010 at 8:11pm |
MartokColonel


Posts : 4028 Joined: 4 JUN 2005 Location: US, Minnesota
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MarkShot
Considering MOO 1/2/3 as I've never played any of these space 4Xs.
Stay away from MOO3. Far away.
"I happen to believe that both parties deserve a good scouring with a metal brush and sent to their room without reelection" - Steelgrave

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| 8 OCT 2010 at 8:45pm |
Epee1Commander


Posts : 1218 Joined: 31 MAY 2005
Status : Offline | SOM should be commenting on MOO3, IIRC.
Combat Command The Forgotten Gamers
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| 8 OCT 2010 at 8:53pm |
Jarhead0331Colonel


Posts : 8733 Joined: 24 MAY 2006 Location: 0, Texas
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Martok
Originally Posted By MarkShot
Considering MOO 1/2/3 as I've never played any of these space 4Xs.
Stay away from MOO3. Far away.
Not true...with the proper mods, its been turned into one of the greatest 4x games of all time.

"And They shall know no fear, for they are fear incarnate"

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| 8 OCT 2010 at 10:14pm |
OstfrontCenturion


Posts : 169 Joined: 13 JUN 2007
Status : Online | Putting the world greatest 4x with MoO 3 is just wrong.
Almost playable yes, but no were near the greatest.
Believe me I wish it was, I loved the first two games but the third is just broken.
All you have to do is mothball your fleet one turn and then teleport it across the galaxy the next turn. At lease that the way it was the last time I played it. And tactical space combat and planetary combat were also weak. Diplomacy was greatly improve by the Mods. But overall the game is still very weak.
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| 8 OCT 2010 at 10:17pm |
Jarhead0331Colonel


Posts : 8733 Joined: 24 MAY 2006 Location: 0, Texas
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ostfront
Putting the world greatest 4x with MoO 3 is just wrong.
Almost playable yes, but no were near the greatest.
Believe me I wish it was, I loved the first two games but the third is just broken.
All you have to do is mothball your fleet one turn and then teleport it across the galaxy the next turn. At lease that the way it was the last time I played it. And tactical space combat and planetary combat were also weak. Diplomacy was greatly improve by the Mods. But overall the game is still very weak.
Opinions are like a$$holes...everybody has one.
Which mods did you use? My experiences have been entirely different from what you've described above. Planetary combat in modded MOO3 is more complex and more detailed than in ANY other space 4x game. I implore you to prove otherwise.

"And They shall know no fear, for they are fear incarnate"

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| 8 OCT 2010 at 10:29pm |
OstfrontCenturion


Posts : 169 Joined: 13 JUN 2007
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Jarhead0331
Opinions are like a$$holes...everybody has one.
That's true, but some may have two
Which mods did you use? My experiences have been entirely different from what you've described above. Planetary combat in modded MOO3 is more complex and more detailed than in ANY other space 4x game. I implore you to prove otherwise.
Should never have to use a modded game to make it the greatest.
I think it was strawberry or something like that. Can you still teleport you fleet across the galaxy?
If not please tell me the what the mod is.
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| 8 OCT 2010 at 10:50pm |
Jarhead0331Colonel


Posts : 8733 Joined: 24 MAY 2006 Location: 0, Texas
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Ostfront
Originally Posted By Jarhead0331
Opinions are like a$$holes...everybody has one.
That's true, but some may have two
Which mods did you use? My experiences have been entirely different from what you've described above. Planetary combat in modded MOO3 is more complex and more detailed than in ANY other space 4x game. I implore you to prove otherwise.
Should never have to use a modded game to make it the greatest.
I think it was strawberry or something like that. Can you still teleport you fleet across the galaxy?
If not please tell me the what the mod is.
I'm really not sure what you're talking about. I never was able to "teleport my fleet across the galaxy"...I use the Vanilla and the tropical patches.

"And They shall know no fear, for they are fear incarnate"

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| 8 OCT 2010 at 11:09pm |
OstfrontCenturion


Posts : 169 Joined: 13 JUN 2007
Status : Online | Your ships are all put in to a pool, when you form a fleet they show up were ever the fleet is made. another words, if I build a ship on one side of the galaxy, the next turn you could put the ship in a fleet on the other side of the galaxy. Teleportation, the ship moved across the galaxy.
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| 9 OCT 2010 at 1:36am |
MartokColonel


Posts : 4028 Joined: 4 JUN 2005 Location: US, Minnesota
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Jarhead0331
Originally Posted By Martok
Stay away from MOO3. Far away.
Not true...with the proper mods, its been turned into one of the greatest 4x games of all time.
I know; so you (and Anguille) have been saying, anyway. Gods knows I want to believe you guys, but I've still been reluctant to give it a try for some reason.
I think I'm worried that even with mods, it will still feel too much like I'm playing a spreadsheet. What's your take on that?
"I happen to believe that both parties deserve a good scouring with a metal brush and sent to their room without reelection" - Steelgrave

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| 9 OCT 2010 at 6:34am |
Jarhead0331Colonel


Posts : 8733 Joined: 24 MAY 2006 Location: 0, Texas
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Martok
Originally Posted By Jarhead0331
Stay away from MOO3. Far away.
I know; so you (and Anguille) have been saying, anyway. Gods knows I want to believe you guys, but I've still been reluctant to give it a try for some reason.
I think I'm worried that even with mods, it will still feel too much like I'm playing a spreadsheet. What's your take on that?
Can you please edit that quote up there...those are NOT my words...they are Ostfronts.

"And They shall know no fear, for they are fear incarnate"

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| 9 OCT 2010 at 6:42am |
MarkShotCommander


Posts : 2935 Joined: 3 MAR 2004 Location: US
Status : Offline | Well, if I get MOO, then I will buy all three.
This site seems to pretty well have MOO3 fixes in hand:
[link]http://bhruic.dyndns.org/patcher/index.php[/link]
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Jarhead and or others,
Do you know if the GOG version of MOO3 is third party patchable? As they sometimes recompile the EXEs and some mods alter the EXEs, there can be problems.
Thanks.
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| 9 OCT 2010 at 6:48am |
Jarhead0331Colonel


Posts : 8733 Joined: 24 MAY 2006 Location: 0, Texas
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MarkShot
Well, if I get MOO, then I will buy all three.
This site seems to pretty well have MOO3 fixes in hand:
http://bhruic.dyndns.org/patcher/index.php
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Jarhead and or others,
Do you know if the GOG version of MOO3 is third party patchable? As they sometimes recompile the EXEs and some mods alter the EXEs, there can be problems.
Thanks.
That is a good question that I do not had the answer to. I run the game from the original CD-ROM. I can tell you though that bhruic is he man...he is the one who has turned the game around and brought it back from the dead.
You're better off with this site though I think...it has the combined super mods/patches...
[link]http://www.moo3.at/mods/[/link]

"And They shall know no fear, for they are fear incarnate"

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| 9 OCT 2010 at 10:58am |
MarkShotCommander


Posts : 2935 Joined: 3 MAR 2004 Location: US
Status : Offline | Re: MOO3
Looking at:
http://www.moo3.at/mods...=displaycat&catid=14
It clearly indicated "Version 1.2.5 Modifications".
GOG states on their product page for MOO3, "Patched to version 1.2.5".
So, in the absence of anyone with any actual experience trying to patch the GOG version, I would guess that it can be done. Now, I just need to decide if I will buy them.
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| 9 OCT 2010 at 11:54am |
bbmikeCenturion


Posts : 459 Joined: 28 JUN 2009 Location: US, DC
Status : Offline | For MOO3 it is a must to install one of the three bhruic mods. There are Vanilla, Tropical and Strawberry. I can't remember which one I used but it was unplayable (for me) without it. I'll dig around and see if I still have them somewhere.
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| 9 OCT 2010 at 12:17pm |
MartokColonel


Posts : 4028 Joined: 4 JUN 2005 Location: US, Minnesota
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Jarhead0331
Can you please edit that quote up there...those are NOT my words...they are Ostfronts.
Gah; sorry about that Jarhead. (And actually, those were my own words, not Ostfront's.)
In any case, to return to my original question: Does MOO3 still feel like playing a spreadsheet to you? Or do the mods alleviate that issue?
"I happen to believe that both parties deserve a good scouring with a metal brush and sent to their room without reelection" - Steelgrave

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