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I am looking for some ideas for Roman quotes that pertain mainly to trust/betrayal.
I've been learning a lot about that in my life recently and want to find a good quote to help express how it is to have trust broken. I said Roman quotes specifically because I was always interested in Roman history.
Does anyone have suggestions? I'm also thinking of possibly making it tattoo.
Robear that sounds interesting. But what exactly does "Et tu, Brute?" "You too, Brutus?" translate to? Is that what Ceasar said?
Supposedly, yes. Here's one explanation:
In 44 BC, Julius Caesar was murdered by a group of senators. They were led by Marcus Brutus, who had previously been a close friend of Caesar. There's no substantiated evidence to show that Julius Caesar spoke those words. They come to us via Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar which, like many of his history plays, tends to massage historical record somewhat for dramatic effect. In the play Caesar begins to resist the attack but resigns himself to his fate when he sees that his friend is amongst the plotters:
Caesar: Doth not Brutus bootless kneel?
Casca: Speak, hands, for me! [They stab Caesar.]
Caesar: Et tu, Brute? Then fall, Caesar! [Dies.]
Cinna: Liberty! Freedom! Tyranny is dead!
If you have not read Julius Caesar, it's worth it.
Wikipedia has a little more on the historical claims for Caesar's last words.
The phrase evidently follows in the tradition of the Roman historian Suetonius, who reports that others have claimed Caesar's last words were the Greek phrase "?α? s? t?????;" (transliterated as "Kai su, teknon?": "You too, my child?" in English or "Tu quoque, Brute, fili mi" in Latin). Caesar is known to have spoken excellent Greek and there would be nothing strange in this. Suetonius himself claims Caesar said nothing as he died.Plutarch also reports that Caesar said nothing and merely pulled his toga over his head when he saw Brutus among the conspirators.
"Ave, Caesar, morituri te salutant!" (Hail, Caesar, those who are about to die, salute you!)
As spoken by gladiators before the fight.
I have often considered this as a tatoo for some strange reason with gladius below it. Now I know I am 40+
That's one of the remarkable things about life. It's never so bad that it can't get worse. Then again quietly confident but what of? The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.