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| 6 DEC 2010 at 10:10pm |
Bison36Colonel
Posts : 6360
Joined: 31 MAR 2009
Location: US, Sweet Air of Freedom
Status : Offline | Source?
I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations - James Madison
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| 6 DEC 2010 at 10:44pm |
zyk0001Centurion
Posts : 163
Joined: 29 MAR 2007
Status : Offline | Erik Rutins says in this thread that they are shooting for Tuesday with Wed. or Thurs. as backup.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2639145
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| 6 DEC 2010 at 10:49pm |
Slick WilhelmCenturion
Posts : 918
Joined: 11 SEP 2007
Location: US, Minnesota
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Bison36
Source?
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Beta Tester: Brother Against Brother; Commander: The Great War
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| 6 DEC 2010 at 11:27pm |
Bison36Colonel
Posts : 6360
Joined: 31 MAR 2009
Location: US, Sweet Air of Freedom
Status : Offline | Well that source is good enough for me Slick!
I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations - James Madison
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| 6 DEC 2010 at 11:32pm |
Bison36Colonel
Posts : 6360
Joined: 31 MAR 2009
Location: US, Sweet Air of Freedom
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By zyk0001
Erik Rutins says in this thread that they are shooting for Tuesday with Wed. or Thurs. as backup.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2639145
Very cool. I do need to spend more time browsing the Matrix upcoming games forums.
I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations - James Madison
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 2:02am |
panzerooCenturion
Posts : 216
Joined: 9 JAN 2004
Location: AU, NSW
Status : Offline | just in time for xmas...better let the little lady know what i want under the tree so to speak.
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 5:11am |
KeunertCommander
Posts : 2364
Joined: 22 MAR 2006
Status : Offline | the serial number plus a week of from romantic duties and homework. that would be a great present indeed
I can stand brute force, but brute reason is quite unbearable. There is something unfair about its use. It is hitting below the intellect. Oscar Wilde
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 6:41am |
smittyohioCenturion
Posts : 241
Joined: 23 JUL 2004
Status : Offline | I've got mixed feelings on this one... I really want to play it, but I'm concerned about the comments from testers and the developers themselves about the AI... It seems like they're going out of there way to downgrade people's expectations on it, mostly on the attack. (See the official forums and the dev chat). Which is fine... but if / when the Germans stall out, it would kind of stink to be on the defensive if the AI isn't going to challenge you. I guess we'll see... maybe the testers have just gotten too good at the game.
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 7:22am |
tgb123Commander
Posts : 1474
Joined: 13 NOV 2009
Status : Offline | When I look at the screenshots and hear about a turn taking an hour, my eyes glaze over. Guess I'm not grog enough.
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 7:30am |
sandman2575Centurion
Posts : 449
Joined: 4 JUL 2008
Status : Offline | ^ good thing, though, is that turns are on a weekly basis, which seems a lot less intimidating than the daily turns (you can adjust it to 3 days, but regardless) for WitP. An hour per turn is a lot, but somehow seems less daunting if you're making real progress in the in-game calendar. With WitP, it was always like -- "well, that turn took forever... now it's December 8, 1941..."
also, as with WitP -- your initial turns are going to take a long time, but I would bet that things speed up at different points in the game. I hear the 'mud turns' where not a whole lot is going on do not take anything like an hour to complete --
"Well, if this is it, old boy, I hope you don't mind I go out speaking the King's?" - Lt. Archie Hicox
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 8:28am |
Great AjaxCenturion
Posts : 508
Joined: 29 NOV 2006
Location: US, Oklahoma
Status : Offline | Once you become a veteran player of the game, you are going to have to use the Challenging difficulty setting in order to get a good game. I've played some Russian vs German AI games and they definitely have a different feel than playing a human. The AI will attack, it will breakthrough, etc. and it will give you a strong game but it lacks the cunning that a human player can use. I would sweat out turns against a human player when they would pull off some pretty spectactular moves planned out over several turns. The AI just isn't going to be crafty and devious. The AI is decent but it is a poor subistitute for a good player.
Playing against the German AI on Challengin in the Road to Leningrad scenario, the AI pushed me all the way to the Luga River and Velikye Luki but I put up such a defense on those lines that the AI stagnated and could not figure out how to bust through. A human player would have shifted and attempted some assaults.
One of the most eye opening experiences was playing as the Soviets for the first time in a PBEM game against an experienced tester. I made all kind of mistakes that led to diasters and when the blizzard hit in early December, the Germans had captured the western hex of Moscow and were expelled several weeks later by my counterattacks. There were some hexes that I thought were uncrossable but they were and this cost me dearly and led to the fall of the Crimea and Leningrad.
Trey
Originally Posted By smittyohio
I've got mixed feelings on this one... I really want to play it, but I'm concerned about the comments from testers and the developers themselves about the AI... It seems like they're going out of there way to downgrade people's expectations on it, mostly on the attack. (See the official forums and the dev chat). Which is fine... but if / when the Germans stall out, it would kind of stink to be on the defensive if the AI isn't going to challenge you. I guess we'll see... maybe the testers have just gotten too good at the game.
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 9:40am |
tooncesCommander
Posts : 2322
Joined: 21 MAR 2006
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By sandman2575
An hour per turn is a lot, but somehow seems less daunting if you're making real progress in the in-game calendar. With WitP, it was always like -- "well, that turn took forever... now it's December 8, 1941..."
LOL, isn't that the truth!
"I am always fondling my nut sack, just to be safe. " - bboyer66
"It's like Mount and Blade got together with Total War and had a game baby." - Bison36 on Real Warfare Northern Crusades
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 10:33am |
KidCommander
Posts : 1202
Joined: 18 JAN 2006
Location: US, FL
Status : Offline | One of the great things about the game is it's interface. It is very easy to move around, get information, and transfer units. There is a lot of detail but you can be up and playing in 15 min.
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 10:38am |
ComradePColonel
Posts : 6889
Joined: 1 JUL 2006
Location: NL
Status : Offline | I'm not sure whether I'm just too methodical or whether the estimate is supposed to be extremely conservative, but my full campaign turns always last more than an hour. The first turns can easily take 3 due to the planning required and the amount of units to move. After a dozen or so turns, turns take me 1.5 hours as the Soviets.
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 12:16pm |
ArizonaTankCenturion
Posts : 582
Joined: 25 APR 2005
Status : Offline | There goes my beer money...
"No, No, mix them all up. I'm tired of state's rights."
Union General George Thomas' reply to his chaplain, when asked if the dead from the Chatanooga campaign should be buried by state as had been done at Gettysburg.
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 12:20pm |
Wolverine101Colonel
Posts : 3802
Joined: 14 DEC 2009
Status : Offline | I understand there are over 4000 units so I guess I could see turns taking hours to play. As to "why" someone would want to play a game like this is still beyond me? I wonder if it has to do with age? How many of you out there that are going to buy this are over 55?
Want is the foundation of impatience, a step without thought can be a drop without end
Dbeves: And LMFAO - didnt you just have to work battlefront into your response somewhere - you are priceless.
Listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYhAycDqhog
"ha! GL getting THAT much...lolz"
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 12:36pm |
mkriegCenturion
Posts : 113
Joined: 4 APR 2007
Location: US, Texas
Status : Offline | I'll be 56 on the 31st...does that count?
a.k.a. DocW - formerly ranked #6 in the world(Duke Nukem 3d, Case's Ladder - 1200 matches recorded in 1997) RV-8 Builder
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 1:26pm |
tgb123Commander
Posts : 1474
Joined: 13 NOV 2009
Status : Offline | I'm 58, and as I've aged and acquired wives, jobs, and dogs, find I no longer have time for a massive game like this. I rarely have an uninterrupted hour at a time to game, so I'm sure not going to be spending it on just one turn (or part of one)
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 1:33pm |
ComradePColonel
Posts : 6889
Joined: 1 JUL 2006
Location: NL
Status : Offline | I understand there are over 4000 units so I guess I could see turns taking hours to play. As to "why" someone would want to play a game like this is still beyond me? I wonder if it has to do with age? How many of you out there that are going to buy this are over 55?
Both the Soviets and the Axis have around 1000 non-air group units at or near the front most of the time, if you include air groups, the totals will be a few hundred higher. The Axis, including air groups, have almost 1500 units at the start of the 1941 campaign, but keep in mind that a good deal are frozen for either the entire game or most of it, provided they're not triggered. The Soviet OOB grows significantly, but the Axis OOB is fairly static.
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 3:31pm |
jjdenverCenturion
Posts : 260
Joined: 22 FEB 2008
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Wolverine101
I understand there are over 4000 units so I guess I could see turns taking hours to play. As to "why" someone would want to play a game like this is still beyond me? I wonder if it has to do with age? How many of you out there that are going to buy this are over 55?
Nothing says you have to play the campaign. My understanding is that there are many scenarios. Just because the grand campaign is there doesn't mean you need to load it up.
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 3:36pm |
ArizonaTankCenturion
Posts : 582
Joined: 25 APR 2005
Status : Offline | I just checked the Matrix site....it is available.
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/372/details/
$79 for DL version, $89 for boxed....
"No, No, mix them all up. I'm tired of state's rights."
Union General George Thomas' reply to his chaplain, when asked if the dead from the Chatanooga campaign should be buried by state as had been done at Gettysburg.
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 3:50pm |
Wolverine101Colonel
Posts : 3802
Joined: 14 DEC 2009
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By ArizonaTank
I just checked the Matrix site....it is available. http://www.matrixgames.com/products/372/details/ $79 for DL version, $89 for boxed.... Holy cow! $89.99 for a boxed version (looks like the ole grocery store marketing scheme of .99 instead of the whole dollar really works).
Want is the foundation of impatience, a step without thought can be a drop without end
Dbeves: And LMFAO - didnt you just have to work battlefront into your response somewhere - you are priceless.
Listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYhAycDqhog
"ha! GL getting THAT much...lolz"
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 4:16pm |
MartokColonel
Posts : 4018
Joined: 4 JUN 2005
Location: US, Minnesota
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By ArizonaTank
I just checked the Matrix site....it is available.
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/372/details/
$79 for DL version, $89 for boxed....
*whistles in wordless awe*
"I happen to believe that both parties deserve a good scouring with a metal brush and sent to their room without reelection" - Steelgrave
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| 7 DEC 2010 at 4:38pm |
tgb123Commander
Posts : 1474
Joined: 13 NOV 2009
Status : Offline | What I expected. That's the standard price for their "monster" games.
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