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#1 18 JAN 2011 at 3:58am
Bloodypage Centurion Posts : 80 Joined: 19 DEC 2010 Status : Online	Ok so maybe I don't need to hold back so much on what my intentions are for my game given some of the breakthroughs I made over the Christmas and New Year holidays I think I need to take another glance on what I'm looking for. I'm going to go out on a limb here that many of you have good knowledge of current military technologies and done your own research on possible future military tech. So this is more about opinions and predictions given the knowledge you have. I hope this thread can evolve into something interesting since I tend to be horrible at making interesting entries. Anyhow! Here is the scenario, in a alternate universe but similar to our own that humanity has spanned across the known galaxy colonizing hundreds of worlds and driven by more primal instincts there are wars and rumors of wars across human space and this opens the doors to the innovation of military tech. For those who are fans of the Old Battletech universe (like me!) you may feel at home with this idea except there isn't Earth history to have a basis on, but the principles are very similar. So I have three questions: 1. In the distant future do you think there will be an extensive use of tanks like we know of them today? 2. Will the foot soldier be completely replaced by robotics and drones in high intensity battles? 3. Would it be practical to re-event some older tactics from previous wars into making this universe a little more conventional? By which I mean would starships be engaging in long range artillery duels or would they be slugging out in broadsides like the old Sailing days? Discuss please. Forum Police says: Azzuri you're gone. Let me get this straight...you mean he's gone? Like really gone gone? WOO-HOO!!!
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#2 18 JAN 2011 at 2:58pm
jacknastyface Commander Posts : 1945 Joined: 4 MAR 2004 Location: CA, BC Status : Offline	BP, Welcome back. Try to stay out of trouble, okay? [ ] In no particular order: a) Search the computer games forum for a post by Jarhead about faster than light travel...there were some interesting comments made about interstellar flight and combat. b) Tanks will always be needed wherever you need a big gun; AFVs will always be needed wherever you have a need for command and control and support. Their deployment for a particular mission is mostly dependent upon maneouvability, enviromental suitability and / or risk envelope. c) But what about infantry-carried and vehicle-mounted missiles you say? Well...modern AT missles work so well because they have electronics that guide them accurately to their target, where their mission-specific (armor penetration, shrapnel burst, smoke, incinideary, etc) payload can do damage. Fine....but there are two problems with this: c1) missiles are big, and move "relatively" slowly...so it may not be a stretch to see armored vehicles (or even purpose built vehicles within a tank squad) mount anti-missile defense weapons. c2) guidance systems require electronics....so if you can find a way to defeat the electronic systems (directed EMF burst?) then you will diminish a guided AT weapon's lethality. Of course, unguided missiles (like a bazooka or panzerfaust) may have some battlefield value, especially if the infantry can fire from concealment. And the best way to get rid of concealment is with a big HE round from a cannon. d) force multipliers (like snipers, assualt and / or flamethrowers, demolition guys, etc) will probably also always have a place because there will be a need for special missions / ops and one of them is better than 1 "regular" guy.
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#3 18 JAN 2011 at 9:08pm
Bloodypage Centurion Posts : 80 Joined: 19 DEC 2010 Status : Online	I'm trying to stay out of trouble, but try doing that when the mods are playing favorites... Anyhow. I looked at the computer games thread and nothing came up on search about faster than light travel, you sure you didn't mean tech talk? Because I would love to read that. I have to disagree with you that missiles will make the tank obsolete because you said it yourself that there are developments of anti-air defenses for modern MBTs. This leads to the question on logistics. I have it planned out that there was an antiquated way of invading a world by having a lot of landing craft similar how beach landings were done in WWII. However in recent developments in this universe the planetary assault carrier changed everything, yet bringing in a bunch of tanks is a logistical strain. So perhaps it's not better infantry portable anti-tank weapons but rather logistical restraints. Perhaps? I want to disagree with my own statement. (And no I'm not kidding) Forum Police says: Azzuri you're gone. Let me get this straight...you mean he's gone? Like really gone gone? WOO-HOO!!!
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#4 18 JAN 2011 at 9:53pm
Bloodypage Centurion Posts : 80 Joined: 19 DEC 2010 Status : Online	-------------------DISREGARD LAST--------------------- Welp I'm banned for good this time because it looks like the Admin and the mods are in bed with the biggest asshole on the forum. Das Vadanya! Forum Police says: Azzuri you're gone. Let me get this straight...you mean he's gone? Like really gone gone? WOO-HOO!!!
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#5 18 JAN 2011 at 9:59pm
jacknastyface Commander Posts : 1945 Joined: 4 MAR 2004 Location: CA, BC Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By Bloodypage* I have to disagree with you that missiles will make the tank obsolete because you said it yourself that there are developments of anti-air defenses for modern MBTs. Hmm...for the record, I stated that "...tanks will always be needed whenever you need a big gun..." And then I went on to state the reasons why AT missiles, at least as we currently understand them, may conceivably become useless. So that is a confirmation of the utility of the tank...not a statement about their obsolence. The thread on FTL is right here: http://www.wargamer.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=479058&high=poll
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#6 18 JAN 2011 at 10:02pm
Azzurri Banned for 15394 days Posts : 9755 Joined: 24 NOV 2009 Location: 0, Kentucky Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By Bloodypage* -------------------DISREGARD LAST--------------------- Welp I'm banned for good this time because it looks like the Admin and the mods are in bed with the biggest asshole on the forum. Das Vadanya! Potty mouth. Das Bootanya! It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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#7 18 JAN 2011 at 10:16pm
Bloodypage Centurion Posts : 80 Joined: 19 DEC 2010 Status : Online	Azzuri. You're dead. Forum Police says: Azzuri you're gone. Let me get this straight...you mean he's gone? Like really gone gone? WOO-HOO!!!
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#8 18 JAN 2011 at 10:22pm
Azzurri Banned for 15394 days Posts : 9755 Joined: 24 NOV 2009 Location: 0, Kentucky Status : Offline	For being dead my fingeys sure do type well. However, you may be right now that I think about it, I do feel a slight chill... Nevermind, sorry for the scare...that was just the wife walking by... Anyhow Eisentard, when you insult someone, at the very least, have the common courtesy to spell their name correctly. That's two "r"s not one....geez...amatuers these days.... It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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#9 18 JAN 2011 at 11:34pm
lordxorn Centurion Posts : 160 Joined: 31 JAN 2010 Status : Online	I disagree that anti tank missiles will become obsolete, even though Israel has successfully tested it's Trophy system against real inert missiles. http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htarm/articles/20101227.aspx I am sure someone is already designing a way to counter this defence, just like how MIRV nuclear warheads would be able to overwhelm a Star Wars system. So a way to beat the Trophy system is to develop an RPG with multiple warheads which will present much smaller and numerous targets possibly allowing a single penetrator through which is all that is needed now days. The future is definitely going to go the way of Aliens, Appleseed, with Exo Armor suits. So take a look at those movies, they are on to something. http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/25/sarcos-military-exoskeleton-becomes-a-frightening-reality/ I will be bold to say that the MBT will be going away, as we know it. It is interesting to note that the US has no planned future replacement for the M1 Abrams, even in the FCS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Combat_Systems) vision. The closest thing I have seen is a stripped down version with a really low profile and made of composite plastic armor. It basically a big gun on treads, which uses less manpower and can be airlifted by helo. Invisible Camo is also a thing coming, where a whole company of elite soldiers could be equipped with this stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPVQal851U Exotic weapons with electronic firing systems that fire without any moving parts is also a possibility, which is being developed by a company called Metal Storm. http://www.metalstorm.com/ Hope this helps with your game.
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