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#1 23 FEB 2011 at 12:21pm
Fran Centurion Posts : 74 Joined: 31 OCT 2005 Status : Offline	How would you do it? Few things to keep in mind: 1. Any armed recue group could possibly be seen as eather mercenries or govt troops by rebels. 2. Safe air space not guaranteed. 3. No transport of their own. 4. They are running low on supplies. They would need help and protection quick. 5. Remember they are in the desert, not close to big cities/airports. See link for more details on story http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-12550802 See link for google map of incidents http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=215454646984933465708.00049c59184ae1136341a My Blog: The Quiet Fusilier
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#2 23 FEB 2011 at 12:27pm
Flashman Commander Posts : 2127 Joined: 3 JAN 2005 Location: England, Worcestershire Status : Offline	Thank you for calling. Due to budget cuts all our soldiers are currently busy. Please hold....
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#3 23 FEB 2011 at 12:51pm
Dan H Centurion Posts : 12 Joined: 30 DEC 2008 Location: UK Status : Offline	Safe airspace not achievable in the absence of any carriers or maritime aviation. Only ship on task has short range AAW systems and no sizeable RM capacity. Thanks Dave - some great calls on defence there. Memories of the S. Atlantic anyone? (We don't need carriers - oh wait - perhaps we do) We could ask nicely.
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#4 23 FEB 2011 at 1:07pm
bayonetbrant Colonel Posts : 7056 Joined: 18 MAR 2007 Status : Offline	the canadians are chartering airplanes and hoping they'll have a runway to land on... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/first-two-dozen-canadian-evacuees-leave-strife-torn-libya/article1917549/ Check out GrogNews for wargaming / mil news. http://grognews.blogspot.com
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#5 23 FEB 2011 at 1:28pm
Flashman Commander Posts : 2127 Joined: 3 JAN 2005 Location: England, Worcestershire Status : Offline	I did actually hear the interview with the oil worker today on the radio. Joking apart I feel sorry for him. An Oil camp for 100 men now with 300. Only enough food and water for one day. Jeez. They are 2 hours south of Benghazi, in the desert. Looking at Google maps of Libya you are just not going to walk out of there, apart from the marauding locals the terrain looks like the planet Mars. SAS 4x4 vehicle convoy overland from Eypgt to Benghazi and back esert Rats style? The oil worker says they should send a Hercules. So there must be landing strip close. Risk sending an Aircraft from Cyprus to pick them up? Libyan air force must be in chaos at the moment.
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#6 23 FEB 2011 at 1:39pm
bayonetbrant Colonel Posts : 7056 Joined: 18 MAR 2007 Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By Flashman* Libyan air force must be in chaos at the moment. If by "in chaos" you mean "in Malta" hahaha Check out GrogNews for wargaming / mil news. http://grognews.blogspot.com
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#7 23 FEB 2011 at 1:52pm
Flashman Commander Posts : 2127 Joined: 3 JAN 2005 Location: England, Worcestershire Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By bayonetbrant* *Originally Posted By Flashman* Libyan air force must be in chaos at the moment. If by "in chaos" you mean "in Malta" hahaha [ ] If the SAS are interested. I've got the land route on google now. Start at Egyptian border then cut across the Cyrenaican desert to the town of Ajdabiyah then up the coast road to Benghazi. 8 hours 57 minutes, 689 km. Could be a bit tricky if we run into any opposition as the Libyans are well trained. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/6176808/SAS-trains-Libyan-troops.html [sm=00000018.gif]
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#8 23 FEB 2011 at 2:01pm
Fran Centurion Posts : 74 Joined: 31 OCT 2005 Status : Offline	I know! in exchange for the oil workers the UK Goverment can release the Lockerbie... oh on 2nd thought. My Blog: The Quiet Fusilier
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#9 23 FEB 2011 at 2:08pm
Eyebiter Commander Posts : 1232 Joined: 28 DEC 2004 Status : Offline	Italian Helicopter Carrier Portaerei Cavour Buy your share of freedom... today!
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#10 23 FEB 2011 at 2:26pm
Steelgrave Colonel Posts : 3322 Joined: 1 DEC 2006 Location: US Status : Offline	It doesn't take much of an airfield for a Hercules to land. Of course, the trouble with that is what kind of resistance are you going to encounter. Doesn't sound like there is even anybody in the government right now who could guarantee safe passage. "When in danger, or in doubt.....run in circles, scream and shout!!!", author Herman Wouk.
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#11 23 FEB 2011 at 2:28pm
Flashman Commander Posts : 2127 Joined: 3 JAN 2005 Location: England, Worcestershire Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By Eyebiter* Italian Helicopter Carrier Portaerei Cavour Have things got that bad? Yeah they probably have. The only passenger aircraft for evacuating UK citizens is stuck at Gatwick airport with 'technical problems'. Evacuation plans of foreign governments http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12552374
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#12 23 FEB 2011 at 2:38pm
Major Defect Centurion Posts : 303 Joined: 5 MAR 2005 Status : Offline	Perhaps selling the Ark Royal to that Turkish scrappy was just a clever ploy to get it nearer the zone without anybody suspecting? Do you think we could borrow it for a bit?
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#13 23 FEB 2011 at 3:20pm
Jointops06 Commander Posts : 2653 Joined: 20 JUL 2004 Status : Offline	I think we have the required kit to get them out of there, Hercules, Typhoons, Lynx, SAS, etc but I just can't see how we get them there. Then if we do does Gadaffi use it as proof of Western powers as the root cause of all his woes? Personally I don't give a rats arse about Gadaffi but my government might. That's one of the remarkable things about life. It's never so bad that it can't get worse. Then again quietly confident but what of? The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made.
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#14 24 FEB 2011 at 3:21pm
Flashman Commander Posts : 2127 Joined: 3 JAN 2005 Location: England, Worcestershire Status : Offline	Libya in crisis map http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360318/Libya-crisis-The-key-battle-grounds-areas-opposition-control-oil-fields-supply-50-Europes-oil.html
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#15 24 FEB 2011 at 3:48pm
Centurion40 General Posts : 10892 Joined: 31 OCT 2003 Location: CA, Halifax Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By Flashman* *Originally Posted By bayonetbrant* *Originally Posted By Flashman* Libyan air force must be in chaos at the moment. If by "in chaos" you mean "in Malta" hahaha [ ] If the SAS are interested. I've got the land route on google now. Start at Egyptian border then cut across the Cyrenaican desert to the town of Ajdabiyah then up the coast road to Benghazi. 8 hours 57 minutes, 689 km. Could be a bit tricky if we run into any opposition as the Libyans are well trained. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/onthefrontline/6176808/SAS-trains-Libyan-troops.html [sm=00000018.gif] Why, it would be a full circle moment for the SAS... dashing around in Land Rovers with the LRDG, dodging the Gerries... er, I mean the Libbies. "I love Anne Hathaway and her penchant for nudity." -The Dawg of Metal
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#16 24 FEB 2011 at 4:14pm
GDS Starfury General Posts : 16455 Joined: 26 MAY 2001 Location: 0, Starbase 10 Status : Offline	didnt we just have a carrier group go through the Suez?
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#17 24 FEB 2011 at 7:09pm
bayonetbrant Colonel Posts : 7056 Joined: 18 MAR 2007 Status : Offline	The Iranians just had some boats going thru there... Check out GrogNews for wargaming / mil news. http://grognews.blogspot.com
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#18 24 FEB 2011 at 7:44pm
Smuckatelli Colonel Posts : 7965 Joined: 8 JUN 2004 Location: US Status : Offline	MEU It's been 210 years since we last visited.
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#19 24 FEB 2011 at 9:11pm
GDS Starfury General Posts : 16455 Joined: 26 MAY 2001 Location: 0, Starbase 10 Status : Offline	I wouldnt discount those Italian ships. theres actually quite a bit a of capability there if they had the balls to use them.
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#20 25 FEB 2011 at 6:03am
Centurion40 General Posts : 10892 Joined: 31 OCT 2003 Location: CA, Halifax Status : Offline	*Originally Posted By Smuckatelli* MEU It's been 210 years since we last visited. Oh yeah man! ANOTHER full circle moment! "... to the shores of Tripoli." Do it!! Finish what Ronnie started. The Corps is superior to mercs anyday, everyday. "I love Anne Hathaway and her penchant for nudity." -The Dawg of Metal
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#21 25 FEB 2011 at 6:25am
GDS Starfury General Posts : 16455 Joined: 26 MAY 2001 Location: 0, Starbase 10 Status : Offline	facebook is really showing how little people pay attention to wtf is going on in the world and how things are interconnected. Im seeing lots of posts where people are wondering why gas prices are climbing and why the US government isnt doing something with alternate energy. morons!
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#22 25 FEB 2011 at 6:35am
Centurion40 General Posts : 10892 Joined: 31 OCT 2003 Location: CA, Halifax Status : Offline	Never under estimate the stupidity of people, or people's ability to broadcast said stupidity. "I love Anne Hathaway and her penchant for nudity." -The Dawg of Metal
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#23 25 FEB 2011 at 6:43am
Centurion40 General Posts : 10892 Joined: 31 OCT 2003 Location: CA, Halifax Status : Offline	I wonder (truthfully knowing that the answer is "no") if the Libyan opposition were to set-up a "government" in Benghazi, and they used the media to appeal for international aid to help them overthrow a tyrant and defend their democratic movement... would Obama have the balls to send in the Marines? Would the French send in the Legion? Would the Italians land troops? "I love Anne Hathaway and her penchant for nudity." -The Dawg of Metal
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#24 26 FEB 2011 at 7:00am
ComradeP Colonel Posts : 6889 Joined: 1 JUL 2006 Location: NL Status : Offline	People always seem to think big, everybody wants to send a big ship or a Hercules, because that would normally be practical. If nobody's running the country, landing on the primary airports or using major ports will be tricky. If you fly a total of 60 flights with small prop planes that can more or less land on a dime (should be plenty of those around) transporting 5 people each time, you've still evacuated 300 people. Nowadays, everything's about an instant solution instead of using resources that are actually in the area.
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#25 26 FEB 2011 at 8:05am
ActionJack Colonel Posts : 7885 Joined: 19 SEP 2005 Status : Offline	Nowadays, everything's about an instant solution instead of using resources that are actually in the area. I still can't believe we didn't have a carrier battle group in the area. I remember about 7 years ago I was at a conference where the Navy said they were looking to end scheduled deployments and go to a 'surge' concept so a potential enemy never knew ahead of time if a CVBG was in the area. I thought then that its better to know there's always a 'cop' on the beat. I would have thought after first Tunisia, then Egypt, Bahrain, and Jordan we'd have had assets in the Med by now. This is baffling! "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850
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