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| 11 JUL 2011 at 11:05am |
BismarckColonel


Posts : 4434 Joined: 31 MAY 2001 Location: US, Wisconsin
Status : Offline | My memory faails me. In the original PG, could the 88 be switched between AA and AT?
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| 11 JUL 2011 at 2:21pm |
RudankortCenturion


Posts : 10 Joined: 1 FEB 2010
Status : Online | Originally Posted By Bismarck
My memory faails me. In the original PG, could the 88 be switched between AA and AT?
No, in PG this feature did not exist.
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| 12 JUL 2011 at 8:08pm |
UbercatCommander


Posts : 1184 Joined: 1 DEC 2008 Location: US, Near Allentown, PA
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Bismarck
My memory faails me. In the original PG, could the 88 be switched between AA and AT?
Can it be switched in PC??? If so, that's great! Does anyone know if it required a change of ammo historically?
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| 13 JUL 2011 at 12:25am |
Lord ZimoaCenturion


Posts : 356 Joined: 4 JUL 2006 Location: BE
Status : Offline | It can be switched in PzC
Historically of course AA ammo is a bit different, basically it was an exploding shell with altitude or time/percussion fuse. Proximity fuses were an American invention and well kept secret, only at the end of the War the Germans discovered why the Allies were so effective.
AT ammo is basically shape charged shells to concentrate energy and penetrate the thick armour and explode inside the tank.
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| 13 JUL 2011 at 1:36pm |
LudiCenturion


Posts : 26 Joined: 21 FEB 2006
Status : Offline | While it is good to hear that ammo type can be switched in Panzer Corps (although I have not had occasion to use this capability as yet – only finished the Polish campaign so far), I am concerned at the explanation of AT ammo provided by Lord Z:
AT ammo is basically shape charged shells to concentrate energy and penetrate the thick armour and explode inside the tank.
Uh, not really. While it is certainly true that AA and AT rounds are different, your explanation of AT ammo is, well, almost completely misleading or flawed/incorrect. There were indeed a number of WW II weapons that employed shaped charges (low velocity large caliber cannon, panzerfauts and schrecks as well as bazookas) but the 88 was not one of them. So to say that AT ammo is basically shape charged shells is misleading at best, and if you include the rest of the description simply wrong. Why? Because shaped charges do NOT explode inside the tank – they are designed to explode OUTSIDE the tank, creating a small and powerful blasting force which would PENETRATE the tank and send a stream of high velocity 'stuff' (not sure what the best technical term for this would be – magma?) into the tank, which MIGHT result in an explosion if this stream encountered material that could be transformed into an explosion. (ammo or fuel were the most common sources of tank explosions – which is why ammo contained in water jackets started to be introduced in late design tanks, or for many ammo rounds being stored very low in some tanks, such as under the turret floor).
The AT round used most commonly by the 88 was an APCBC (Armour Piercing Capped Ballistic Cap) shell. This round was mostly solid metal shaped to best penetrate armour and then bounce around inside a tank . There was a small explosive component – but for a tank to explode it generally needed the round to encounter material that would cause an explosion (again, ammo or fuel being the most common). The amount of explosive filler in an 88 AP round was reduced as the war went on, so that the round had a better chance of penetrating. Western guns, such as the 17 Pounder, gained much of their enhanced performance from using an APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot) round, which had a small tungsten core surrounded by the larger shell, which fell away after the round left the barrel, leaving a small high speed and very dense core to continue to the target with an increased chance of penetrating. (In other words the destructive effect of the 17 Pounders solid round came completely from kinetic energy, not from any explosive filler).
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| 13 JUL 2011 at 2:15pm |
Lord ZimoaCenturion


Posts : 356 Joined: 4 JUL 2006 Location: BE
Status : Offline | While it is good to hear that ammo type can be switched in Panzer Corps
>>> Where did I say it was a feature? You can switch certain types like the 88 between AT and AA mode, will cost you a turn though. Not the ammo, effect is the same of course
Thanks for the explanation about the AT of the 88!
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| 13 JUL 2011 at 4:02pm |
hanxbearCenturion


Posts : 6 Joined: 14 APR 2006
Status : Online | Sorry guys looking for a bit of help here.............
When I was downloading the game, it interrupted at about 10%. Problem is I can't find where to go to start the download again..........
Does anyone know?
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| 13 JUL 2011 at 5:06pm |
spelkCommander


Posts : 1666 Joined: 19 FEB 2009 Location: UK
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By hanxbear
Sorry guys looking for a bit of help here.............
When I was downloading the game, it interrupted at about 10%. Problem is I can't find where to go to start the download again..........
Does anyone know?
You should have an email with the link in it. To start it again.
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| 14 JUL 2011 at 12:49am |
Iain McNeilCenturion


Posts : 427 Joined: 13 FEB 2004 Location: UK
Status : Offline | Sorry you are having problems. If you cant get the download working just contact the Help Desk at Matrix or info@slitherine.co.uk and we'll get you back up and running. (Contact who you ordered from!).
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| 15 JUL 2011 at 6:54pm |
SteelgraveColonel


Posts : 3319 Joined: 1 DEC 2006 Location: US
Status : Offline | Ok, guys....great job on Panzer Corps, take a bow. Now...when can we expect Commander:The Great War, the next big thing on my gaming radar?
Wait, wait, I'm being terrible....take the weekend off, enjoy a few beers and some family time. You can get back on it Monday []
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