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| 14 MAY 2003 at 4:56am |
troopieCenturion
Posts : 11
Joined: 3 MAY 2001
Status : Online | Seeing an Eland 90 brew up an M-60A1 like a pot of tea.
troopie
Pamwe Chete
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| 14 MAY 2003 at 5:17am |
Wolftrap4Centurion
Posts : 202
Joined: 4 MAY 2003
Status : Online | I would like to echo Squad Leaders praise for SPCAMO, thanks guys and have a beer on me.
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| 14 MAY 2003 at 4:57pm |
yoyoCenturion
Posts : 30
Joined: 15 MAY 2005
Location: US
Status : Online | I'll come out of posting oblivion to add my voice to those in praise of the SP CAMO games - the best damned games I never bought. To tell the truth, back before the Wargamer-MGO merger thing, I used to give the Wargamer a bit of money each month, largely because of the enjoyment I got from WW2 and MBT. Thanks again to Dale and the CAMO gang.
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| 14 MAY 2003 at 5:57pm |
Dale HightCenturion
Posts : 18
Joined: 3 MAY 2003
Status : Online | The SP Camo team appreciates everyone’s support and accolades during the years we have been producing SPWW2 and SPMBT.
I recognize that many gamers supported The Wargamer financially and Mario did get a good amount of contributions from his support of our games. Evidently, The Wargamer no longer needs user contributions (but, oddly, they report that they can't afford to support our downloads or webpage any longer).
In the end, it makes little difference and we will continue to provide the games to our friends free of charge without any strings attached.
Further discussion and information about SP Camo games can be found on our Yahoo groups forums and mail lists.
[url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SPWW2/[/url]
[url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SPMBT/[/url]
Best Wishes,
Dale Hight
SP Camo
http://linetap.com/www/drg/SPCamo.htm
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| 14 MAY 2003 at 7:10pm |
MikimotoCenturion
Posts : 29
Joined: 6 MAY 2003
Status : Online | Hello gentlemen,
I fully suscribe Yoyo's words. Spcamo team has given two gems
to the wargamer community, during years. Spww2 and Spmbt are the best tactical wargames you can find out there. The games are free, are made for love to the hobby, and the Spcamo members are the most responsive group of persons I have ever seen in this little wargaming world...
Thanks a lot for the funny years of wargaming and keep up the best work!
Regards
Mikimoto
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| 15 MAY 2003 at 3:26pm |
Les the Sarge 9-1eCenturion
Posts : 672
Joined: 7 DEC 2002
Status : Online | If not for Mega Campaigns, comparing SPWaW and SPWW2 would be the most excrutiating experience I could imagine.
As it goes, I consider SPWaW slightly ahead of SPWW2 just for the inclusion of Mega Campaigns to SPWaW.
I don't really play SPWaW any other way aside from through a Mega Campaign.
What I am interested in knowing, is, is there any interest in SPCammo doing anything of a similar sort for SPWW2 and naturally SPMBT?
Yes I know it would be no small undertaking.
I have lived the world's dogma, that's why I know it's worthless.
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| 15 MAY 2003 at 8:21pm |
Dale HightCenturion
Posts : 18
Joined: 3 MAY 2003
Status : Online | [i]Originally posted in part by Les the Sarge 9-1e [/i]
[B]
What I am interested in knowing, is, is there any interest in SPCammo doing anything of a similar sort for SPWW2 and naturally SPMBT?
[/B]
As we have tried to make clear in the past, with SP Camo the design focus has been on:
Historical research.
Large OB's with many units that wargamers never knew existed.
Playability.
Realism.
Many Countries to play.
Random scenario generation
Scripted long campaign generation.
AI improvements.
No Bugs in the program.
Many scenarios and a few user campaigns are included with the SP Camo package. We let our users make the scenarios and campaigns while we focus on the game mechanics. On the other hand, Mega campaigns are a variation of the Panzer General branching campaign model with considerable historical research leading to scenarios that are something of an educational tool. They cost money to produce and cost money to buy. We have nothing bad to say about them. We thing they are good. We understand that some folks like them, but they are not the focus or interest of the SP Camo group.
With SPWW2 we provide something different called scripted random long WW2 campaigns (scripted means that the correct battle locations and terrain is generated based on the combatants and date of battle).
With them, the users selects the starting time period and number of games he want to play from the start of the war to the end. You may play as any of the following countries:
Germany
USA
Soviet Union
Great Britain
Italy
Canada
Japan
India
USMC
ANZAC
Poland
During the campaigns you select a core force and can add to your core force if you want as the game progresses. The random maps are sometimes better than that of scenario designers and always good at the least. Unlike the SPWAW long campaign there are no times where the opposing forces are missing and the battles are carefully balanced. No other SP game comes close to having these kinds of options and none can provide the challenge of playing our random long campaigns.
Best Wishes,
Dale Hight
SP Camo
http://linetap.com/www/drg/SPCamo.htm
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| 16 MAY 2003 at 7:05am |
MikimotoCenturion
Posts : 29
Joined: 6 MAY 2003
Status : Online | I would like to add:
You can even pick the size of the map prior to every and each battle to accomodate to the size of your core force: Small cores now have more chances to play on a sizeable/reachable maps. When your core grows up, you can expand the map size too...
There will be occasions when you will suffer an enemy counter-attack or will be asked to make a follow-on attack... Nice features that were in the original SP and I never understood why were erased from Spwaw...
The generated maps are, generally, a delight... I miss a button/key to save some of those "magníficos" maps...
You can pick the level of difficulty and will be rewarded with more or less points to rebuild, upgrade and expand your core force... that simple rule adds a lot of challenge to the Long Campaigns...
Spww2 Long Campaigns are one of the most enjoyable experiences for an Steel Panthers player... even for the veteran pbem player, IMHO.
Regards
Mikimoto
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| 16 MAY 2003 at 2:20pm |
WarhorseCenturion
Posts : 22
Joined: 6 JUN 2001
Status : Online | Mikimoto,
You CAN save those maps, with a few steps!! Take and copy the save file, rename it as a scenario file(a number previously unused), open in the editor, then delete all the units, save map as, and voila, you have the map!! Hope this helps,
Warhorse
"Meine Ehre Heisst Treue"
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| 18 MAY 2003 at 12:49am |
Shaun WallaceCenturion
Posts : 366
Joined: 29 APR 2001
Status : Online | [i]Originally posted by Dale Hight [/i]
[B]The SP Camo team appreciates everyone’s support and accolades during the years we have been producing SPWW2 and SPMBT.
I recognize that many gamers supported The Wargamer financially and Mario did get a good amount of contributions from his support of our games. Evidently, The Wargamer no longer needs user contributions (but, oddly, they report that they can't afford to support our downloads or webpage any longer).
In the end, it makes little difference and we will continue to provide the games to our friends free of charge without any strings attached.
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Hi Dale
I never said we couldn't afford to host your files. The simple cost and effect is this. Allowing gamers to download large files is a huge expense to the Wargamer. Mario and Chris Abele have had to cut back and in some cases shut down the file downloading for Pie's Tactics do to this costs.
As I have told you myself several times, we will support SP Camo and all SP mods we just do not gain anything by hosting large files. We do not host SPWaW for the same reason so SP Camo is not treated differently in any way. The scenario depot and these forums are here to support the entire SP community and we feel it does.
Evidently, The Wargamer no longer needs user contributions (but, oddly, they report that they can't afford to support our downloads or webpage any longer).
We like to keep this site in the black so it does not go missing or offline. A basic business premise is to cut large costs that offer very little in return if any. I guess when you are spending other peoples money you can be a little more open in the wallent.
I do not like the implication that we are doing anything but keeping our costs down, to imply anything else is simply untrue.
Shaun
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| 18 MAY 2003 at 9:30pm |
Dale HightCenturion
Posts : 18
Joined: 3 MAY 2003
Status : Online | [i]Originally posted by Shaun Wallace [/i]
[B]Hi Dale
I never said we couldn't afford to host your files. The simple cost and effect is this. Allowing gamers to download large files is a huge expense to the Wargamer. Mario and Chris Abele have had to cut back and in some cases shut down the file downloading for Pie's Tactics do to this costs.
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Hi Shaun,
I must have misunderstood then. So you “can” afford to host the files, but it just costs you too much.
I guess it would be fair to say that you just don’t want to host the files then?
Or, if you do, and would lose money as a result, then it seems to me that it would actually not be too much different from “you can't afford to host the files”.
In any case, I am glad we have made the distinction clear and come to an understanding regarding the point in question.
[i]
As I have told you myself several times, we will support SP Camo and all SP mods we just do not gain anything by hosting large files. We do not host SPWaW for the same reason so SP Camo is not treated differently in any way. The scenario depot and these forums are here to support the entire SP community and we feel it does.
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I am sure that SP Camo appreciates the “links” you have provided. The Military Gamer site never had any links to SP Camo before the Wargamer buyout. Now you have both SPWaW and SP Camo games linked there. That does show an increased awareness.
One of my points was that users and wargamer’s used to express their appreciation to The Wargamer for hosting free Wargaming files. Sometimes this was done by monetary contributions, or by spreading word of mouth and at other times by accolades.
It is not always about what the "business gains" from various expenditures in terms of direct postings on the income line. By providing good will, the customer often thinks better of the business, which in turn, leads to more business.
[i]
We like to keep this site in the black so it does not go missing or offline. A basic business premise is to cut large costs that offer very little in return if any. I guess when you are spending other peoples money you can be a little more open in the wallent. [/i]
Yes, clearly a business must stay in the black if they are to continue to be a viable business.
[i]
I do not like the implication that we are doing anything but keeping our costs down, to imply anything else is simply untrue.
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Shaun [/B][/QUOTE
I'm not sure what you think the implication is, but the facts seem clear.
The Wargamer now supports the Wargaming community to a lesser extent than it did before it removed its support for free Wargames available as direct downloads.
This sort of business strategy is simple enough and obviously totally within the discretion of the ownership.
Best Wishes,
Dale Hight
SP Camo
http://linetap.com/www/drg/SPCamo.htm
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