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| 11 AUG 2011 at 1:09pm |
KnaveryCenturion
Posts : 930
Joined: 10 JAN 2005
Location: US
Status : Offline | Yup. I agree with you wholeheartedly. It's about time I started working on one of my other hobbies anyway. This entire DRM shit has gotten way out of hand. The problem is that when Blizzard does it, everyone else will follow suit. This is not good for the gaming industry.
A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians. -- Frank Zappa
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| 11 AUG 2011 at 1:12pm |
GusingtonGeneral
Posts : 18089
Joined: 16 AUG 2004
Location: US, USMA
Status : Offline | Well there's one title to cross off the list then. I can still have fun playing Diablo II anyway.
I'm glad my character uses a shield because I may be taking a bashing here soon.
- Rayfer
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| 11 AUG 2011 at 1:16pm |
KevlarSocksColonel
Posts : 5988
Joined: 11 SEP 2005
Status : Offline | Agree. I loaded Starcraft 2 last night for a quick game in offline mode. It would not run without a reconnect to base. After the update a new EULA showed up saying they demand the right to be connected to my PC, scan memory for undesirable other programs, etc. I had no choice but to OK since it was paid for long ago. They also reserve the right to change the EULA at any time in the future to whatever they feel like demanding.
They can go to hell.
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| 11 AUG 2011 at 1:35pm |
Azzurri
Banned for 15394 days
Posts : 9755
Joined: 24 NOV 2009
Location: 0, Kentucky
Status : Offline | Diablo can blow me!
Don't care about hack-n-slash games, anyhow.
Waiting for a real game: like something turn-based from "SlithermyGreen".*
*(this promotion was paid for and provided by Azzurri who thinks himself friends with the majority owners of this wondrous site, Aug. 2011).
It is better to die by a swords quick thrust than to be impaled for a lifetime upon the sharp tongue of a woman.-Grimjack
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| 11 AUG 2011 at 2:06pm |
0kult13Centurion
Posts : 482
Joined: 16 JUL 2010
Location: UK
Status : Offline | "Diablo can blow me"
+1 none of my cash for thier coffers thats for sure, might load up sc1 tho
got torchlight, its by the dude who made the first diablo, yey the small indie dev, they get plently of my loot these days.
All your base are belong to us
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| 11 AUG 2011 at 3:08pm |
GreybriarCommander
Posts : 2704
Joined: 30 MAY 2008
Location: US
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By KevlarSocks
Agree. I loaded Starcraft 2 last night for a quick game in offline mode. It would not run without a reconnect to base. After the update a new EULA showed up saying they demand the right to be connected to my PC, scan memory for undesirable other programs, etc. I had no choice but to OK since it was paid for long ago. They also reserve the right to change the EULA at any time in the future to whatever they feel like demanding.
They can go to hell.
Thanks for sharing that information. I was just about to reinstall StarCraft II on my latest PC. I won't bother with it now.
Goodbye Blizzard. It was nice knowing you.
This war is not about slavery. --Robert E. Lee
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| 11 AUG 2011 at 3:17pm |
DoctorQuestCenturion
Posts : 540
Joined: 14 NOV 2009
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Gusington
Well there's one title to cross off the list then.
Way ahead of you......
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| 12 AUG 2011 at 4:37pm |
Wolverine101Colonel
Posts : 3804
Joined: 14 DEC 2009
Status : Offline | Wow this is terrible news. Looks like our PC gaming days are about over for mainstream stuff. Whatchall gonna do when Sega/Creative Assembly go this route for their Total War series? I don't think we'll have to worry about Paradox or Stardock though you never know what Gamestop will do with the Impulse system. I'll probably still go the $5 or less route since I can treat it like a movie one time showing and kiss that $5 goodbye. So in other words if you can't beat them, screw them.
Want is the foundation of impatience, a step without thought can be a drop without end
Dbeves: And LMFAO - didnt you just have to work battlefront into your response somewhere - you are priceless.
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| 12 AUG 2011 at 4:56pm |
MC82Commander
Posts : 1598
Joined: 7 APR 2005
Location: US, Tx
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Wolverine101
Wow this is terrible news. Looks like our PC gaming days are about over for mainstream stuff. Whatchall gonna do when Sega/Creative Assembly go this route for their Total War series? I don't think we'll have to worry about Paradox or Stardock though you never know what Gamestop will do with the Impulse system. I'll probably still go the $5 or less route since I can treat it like a movie one time showing and kiss that $5 goodbye. So in other words if you can't beat them, screw them.
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Steam only already killed TW for me, and with mods like The Last Kingdom and the upcoming Europa Barbarorum II for M2, that's perfectly fine with me, I won't miss them. Honestly, I say let the mainstream industry either go to the casual gaming masses or just implode, 99% of what I play these days are either indie games that still value creativity and challenge, or older games that I played before and loved or never got around to playing. I have backlog large enough to last a lifetime as it is.
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| 12 AUG 2011 at 7:42pm |
GroggyGrognardCenturion
Posts : 528
Joined: 3 FEB 2011
Status : Offline | Unfortunately, this sort of DRM crap/net connection requirement has been coming down the pipe for several years now.
Ahhh...I remember the good ol' days...when you waited with a ritualistic anticipation for a PC game to install in order to fire up the single player campaign(s)/scenarios immediately--without having to deal with whether you had a internet connection or not.
Originally Posted By Gusington
I can still have fun playing Diablo II anyway.
+1
"That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach." -Aldous Huxley
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| 13 AUG 2011 at 10:20am |
KnaveryCenturion
Posts : 930
Joined: 10 JAN 2005
Location: US
Status : Offline | I can't wait to read the D3 review by PC Gamer. They actually trashed an Ubisoft game for requiring you to be online to play, and gave it a below average review if I recall. I have the magazine and will have to find it. But I hope someone calls PC Gamer out when they kiss Blizzard's ass by giving D3 a 92% rating.
A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians. -- Frank Zappa
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| 13 AUG 2011 at 11:26pm |
MC82Commander
Posts : 1598
Joined: 7 APR 2005
Location: US, Tx
Status : Offline | I'm willing to bet right now that it gets a 95%+ of "OMG Best RPG ever!!"
Remember "Rome Total War is the best strategy game ever, even better than Medieval! 95%!"
Remember "Rome Total War's AI sucked, but Medieval 2 totally fixed it! 95%!"
Remember "Empire TW will fix the broken AI and many bugs of Medieval 2!"
Remember "Oblivion is the most awesomest hardest core RPG EVER! 95%!"
Remember "Fallout 3 fixed all of the many issues that sucked about Oblivion! 95%!"
So on and so on...
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| 13 AUG 2011 at 11:59pm |
Bison36Colonel
Posts : 6360
Joined: 31 MAR 2009
Location: US, Sweet Air of Freedom
Status : Offline | /Semi-Rant 1/
I don't know why anyone was surprised by this news. It's been out there for a long time. It was a guarantee to be the case, once the DRM system was used on Starcraft 2 and sales were not really affected at all. The whole buy items for diablo makes me sick. The great fun of diablo was finding the rare items on your own. Now the gold farmers will move into games like this too. Just think of the freaking spam in multiplayer. /sigh/ To damn bad. Unfortunately this is most likely more typical of the future than not for gaming. Blizzard just to DLC to another level with a micro-purchase store in line with a trend that has been occurring with MMOs for some time.
/Semi-Rant 2/
I hate battle.net. I get a ton of damn phishing emails from battle.net pretenders. I had a wow account years ago, which got linked to my battle.net account after I had to create one for Starcraft 2. That WoW account was hacked at some point in the past, but since I hadn't used it in years I didn't know. Then the damn emails started to flow even more. There was no way to unlink the f'n account from my battle.net account. So f'em I unstalled Starcraft 2 and haven't looked back.
/Cold Hard Truth/
Diablo 3 is going to be a huge seller and unless Blizzard completely goes against past releases; it'll be a huge critic success too. The reality is that most Diablo fans won't care about the DRM scheme. Most will come to accept the online selling of items. It's become part of the online gaming culture, because of MMOs. The reality is I play MMO games too from time to time, so how much can I really bitch? When I play an MMO, I don't own the game. You pay some sort of monthly or micro-sales store money for tolkens, items, DLC quests, expansions, XP potions, pink hair, or whatever. You are required to have a perminate internet connection. Clearly Blizzard knows this, because of WoW. So I highly doubt they will be at all phased by the DRM complaints to any great degree. Honestly I'd be happy if the solo game were limited to a single connection to activate, but that will not happen. You'll still be required to connect to battle.net to update the game. Blizzard doesn't do patches any other way now. It's the way it is. Eventually I'll buy and play the damn game, I've no delusion I won't. I bitch and whine about the spammers. I can guarantee you that I will not buy one damned f'n item off of the store from another player. There are battles to be fought in life, but frankly this isn't one I'm going spend a lot of time on to be honest. I'll still spend the overwhelming majority of my gaming dollars with companies like Matrix and Slitherine. One because I like their DRM, but mostly because I like the games they publish. In the end, gaming is a hobby. If I'm not having fun or able to relax playing, it's time to move on to something new.
I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations - James Madison
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| 14 AUG 2011 at 2:44pm |
KevlarSocksColonel
Posts : 5988
Joined: 11 SEP 2005
Status : Offline | I have no problem with DRM if it doesnt put my PC at risk. Forcing someone to have open internet ports is asking for trouble.
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| 14 AUG 2011 at 6:25pm |
NefaroColonel
Posts : 4641
Joined: 6 OCT 2003
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Knavery
I can't wait to read the D3 review by PC Gamer. They actually trashed an Ubisoft game for requiring you to be online to play, and gave it a below average review if I recall. I have the magazine and will have to find it. But I hope someone calls PC Gamer out when they kiss Blizzard's ass by giving D3 a 92% rating.
Yep.
You've noticed the large amount of Blizzard ass-kissing in the industry have you?
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| 14 AUG 2011 at 6:29pm |
NefaroColonel
Posts : 4641
Joined: 6 OCT 2003
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Bison36
/Semi-Rant 2/
I hate battle.net. I get a ton of damn phishing emails from battle.net pretenders. I had a wow account years ago, which got linked to my battle.net account after I had to create one for Starcraft 2. That WoW account was hacked at some point in the past, but since I hadn't used it in years I didn't know. Then the damn emails started to flow even more. There was no way to unlink the f'n account from my battle.net account. So f'em I unstalled Starcraft 2 and haven't looked back.
I, too, have had truckloads of phishing crap loading up the filtered mail in one of my email accounts for a couple years now. Ridiculous.
Ever since I heard they were wanting to change everyone's logins to require, like a kidney or something be sent to them, I knew they were going to start really blowing the DRM c#ck.
There are plenty other companies out there who are willing to make Diablo clones. I don't need to pay ridiculously high prices for Blizzard's ass-hattery anymore.
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| 14 AUG 2011 at 8:54pm |
UKyankCenturion
Posts : 812
Joined: 13 FEB 2005
Status : Offline | Do these companies not realize that some people travel & while doing so like to pass part of their time getting some gaming in on their laptop & not having internet access on things such as planes available makes it impossible with this model.
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| 14 AUG 2011 at 9:03pm |
GreybriarCommander
Posts : 2704
Joined: 30 MAY 2008
Location: US
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By UKyank
Do these companies not realize that some people travel & while doing so like to pass part of their time getting some gaming in on their laptop & not having internet access on things such as planes available makes it impossible with this model.
I don't think they care as long as they make sufficient profit from a title to satisfy them. The only way to change their offensive schemes is not buy the games, and there are too many sheeple out there for that to be successful.
This war is not about slavery. --Robert E. Lee
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| 14 AUG 2011 at 11:49pm |
phredd1Commander
Posts : 1065
Joined: 10 SEP 2006
Status : Offline | That is a curse of being a niche community, we are too small to be noticed even if we act/protest against these monster companies even if we are 100% united on an issue. I don't deal with Blizzard for reasons other than their DRM, but I do sympathize with those of you who like their games.
One mistake, and you're sliding down the razor blade of defeat, and a dull, rusted, and poisoned blade at that.
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| 15 AUG 2011 at 4:44pm |
PipFromSlitherineCenturion
Posts : 103
Joined: 4 AUG 2010
Status : Offline | I have to say in this instance I don't see it as a bad thing. Diablo is a game which is almost as much about loot and trading as about anything. This is designed to make sure that the days of dupped objects and the like are gone. So it is a decision that comes from the game, not from some DRM desire, at least as far as I can see.
There will be some people who want to play D3 offline, and don't care about the trading etc, but I am sure other games will come along to fill the demand. If you can connect all your players together it creates a lot of cool opportunities, but it does add a burden to the player - and it's up to them to decide if it's worth it I guess.
Cheers
Pip
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| 15 AUG 2011 at 8:00pm |
GreybriarCommander
Posts : 2704
Joined: 30 MAY 2008
Location: US
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By PipFromSlitherine
I have to say in this instance I don't see it as a bad thing....
Any time you are required to be online to play a single player game is a bad thing. Trust me on that one.
This war is not about slavery. --Robert E. Lee
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| 15 AUG 2011 at 8:21pm |
DennisSCommander
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Location: US
Status : Offline | Given how the financials of Diablo 3 are constructed, this HAD to happen.
If you could play single player, and take that player onto their version of online play, presumably battle.net, then imagine the following scenario:
We already know what you can sell looted items for actual money. Real, live dollars. Or Bhat, or Lira, or whatever passes for money in your neck of the world.
If a player could play offline, they could save a game, just before looting an item. By the use of a hex editor, they could find the location where loot is stored. It is then a simple matter to hex edit in whatever item you wanted.
Twenty monkeys methodically editing twenty game files, using twenty typewriters would eventually happen on to the greatest leet items in the game.
....and they would dupe, or duplicate, hundreds of them. Why not? Always have one for sale, in their version of the Auction House.
The ONLY way to stop this is to have all of your items located on Blizzard's secure server. Unless you can break into THEIR server, and edit YOUR player on THEIR servier, then this sort of duping is not possible.
This was the problem with Diablo 2. It was trivial to have an "of the whale" ring that gave you vast hit points. I know this, as my idiot gave me a duped item, claiming it was real. I believed him, and got a nice ban for my trouble.
So...there we sit. Server-saved characters and inventory is a MUST for this game, otherwise, the economy just cannot work.
This will encourage multiplayer gameplay, not a bad thing, and it will also allow the gold farmers to legitimately farm items, and legitimately earn real money. Not a bad gig, playing games for money. Do you think it would get old, if it was an actual j-o-b?
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| 15 AUG 2011 at 8:49pm |
NefaroColonel
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Joined: 6 OCT 2003
Status : Offline | Simple solution: Online-only characters and thus online only required for multi-play with them.
I don't play ARPGs much multi-player and could care less about people hacking what's a single-player game with some small multiplayer capability.
Bliz is just jumping into the DLC/micro-transaction money grab, now that they see idiots pay real cash for crap they can just sell them without much labor involved. That's just fine if it makes such buyers and sellers happy, but I'm not one of them and don't want to deal with their extra advertising, and the online requirements for shoving exactly that down your throat.
The slippery slope is tilting. Before long we'll be forced to be online to run a game, so it can stream commercials at you for five minutes before you ever get to anything. The TV commercial situation will spread to your gaming just so, eventually, mark my words.
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| 15 AUG 2011 at 10:12pm |
MC82Commander
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Location: US, Tx
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Nefaro
The slippery slope is tilting. Before long we'll be forced to be online to run a game, so it can stream commercials at you for five minutes before you ever get to anything. The TV commercial situation will spread to your gaming just so, eventually, mark my words.
Or we could just stop and concentrate on other interesting things in life (and I'd consider myself a hard core game nerd), or stick with the backlogs most of us (probably) have that would last a lifetime as is. Let them have their fun, stop giving them money. It doesn't get any easier for me, but I've been told I'm an "extreme person", so go figure.
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