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| 23 NOV 2011 at 7:01am |
GDS StarfuryGeneral


Posts : 16394 Joined: 26 MAY 2001 Location: 0, Starbase 10
Status : Offline | I think youre pretty wrong there Windy.
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| 23 NOV 2011 at 7:26am |
GDS StarfuryGeneral


Posts : 16394 Joined: 26 MAY 2001 Location: 0, Starbase 10
Status : Offline | consider the long term issue of having the worlds 2 largest populations living next to each other Windy. and keep in mind both have nukes, resource shortages and a huge poor population.
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| 23 NOV 2011 at 9:06am |
ActionJackColonel


Posts : 7881 Joined: 19 SEP 2005
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By GDS_Starfury
consider the long term issue of having the worlds 2 largest populations living next to each other Windy. and keep in mind both have nukes, resource shortages and a huge poor population.
What's the implication?
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850

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| 23 NOV 2011 at 10:14am |
WindigoGeneral


Posts : 9359 Joined: 3 NOV 2006 Location: VG
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By GDS_Starfury
consider the long term issue of having the worlds 2 largest populations living next to each other Windy. and keep in mind both have nukes, resource shortages and a huge poor population.
absolutely not gonna happen, they will expend great amounts of resources to ignore each other. They're national identities are not based on; a cultural paranoia, or a competitive aggresion, or needing an enemy to unite them.
Japan and China will piss on each other mightily before India and China go to blows.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
- - Mark Twain

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| 23 NOV 2011 at 10:51am |
ActionJackColonel


Posts : 7881 Joined: 19 SEP 2005
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Windigo
Originally Posted By GDS_Starfury
consider the long term issue of having the worlds 2 largest populations living next to each other Windy. and keep in mind both have nukes, resource shortages and a huge poor population.
absolutely not gonna happen, they will expend great amounts of resources to ignore each other. They're national identities are not based on; a cultural paranoia, or a competitive aggresion, or needing an enemy to unite them.
Japan and China will piss on each other mightily before India and China go to blows.
The Coming China-India Conflict: Is War Inevitable?
By Ishaan Tharoor
... It's not inevitable, but peace cannot be taken for granted. The scope for these two countries to develop peacefully and fulfill their national interests without entering into competition is getting smaller due to internal social pressures and rising nationalism. I am not arguing that they don't want to develop peacefully, but that the options for doing so are not that great. They'll be competing at all levels, not only for economic opportunities, but for regional influence. This will lead to an uncomfortable and risky situation.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1974028,00.html
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850

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| 23 NOV 2011 at 10:57am |
WindigoGeneral


Posts : 9359 Joined: 3 NOV 2006 Location: VG
Status : Offline | like I said, they will expend a great amount of resources trying to avoid each other
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
- - Mark Twain

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| 23 NOV 2011 at 10:58am |
ActionJackColonel


Posts : 7881 Joined: 19 SEP 2005
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Windigo
like I said, they will expend a great amount of resources trying to avoid each other
Twenty-three seconds after I posted the article; your reply tells me you're not considering anything beyond your own perspective.
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850

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| 23 NOV 2011 at 11:59am |
WindigoGeneral


Posts : 9359 Joined: 3 NOV 2006 Location: VG
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By ActionJack
Originally Posted By Windigo
like I said, they will expend a great amount of resources trying to avoid each other
Twenty-three seconds after I posted the article; your reply tells me you're not considering anything beyond your own perspective.
read it before... it is almost a year old.... you want something newer...
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
- - Mark Twain

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| 23 NOV 2011 at 2:37pm |
ActionJackColonel


Posts : 7881 Joined: 19 SEP 2005
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Windigo
Originally Posted By ActionJack
Originally Posted By Windigo
like I said, they will expend a great amount of resources trying to avoid each other
Twenty-three seconds after I posted the article; your reply tells me you're not considering anything beyond your own perspective.
read it before... it is almost a year old.... you want something newer...
I understand now; you're acknowledging that the article doesn't support your view. Where is the author wrong and how so? Or what's changed since his book's release that now makes his assessment inaccurate?
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850

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| 24 NOV 2011 at 7:33am |
paweljCommander


Posts : 2866 Joined: 17 SEP 2003 Location: UK, London
Status : Offline | War between India and Red China is not inconceivable, as China claims one of the Indian provinces - Utar Pradesh, I think. But it is not an existential conflict. Their border in mostly mountainous and neither seems overly confident in their military to be able to do the job. Any conflict would be very contained and almost symbolic just like in the past. I really would not put much value on any rhetoric, particularly from the Indian side.
"...One Nation, Indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for All."
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| 27 NOV 2011 at 1:29pm |
ActionJackColonel


Posts : 7881 Joined: 19 SEP 2005
Status : Offline | There is widespread international debate on the extent to which China’s naval expansions pose a threat to U.S. dominance of the world’s oceans. George Friedman and author and foreign affairs expert Robert Kaplan agree on China’s ambition, but have very different views on its geopolitical impact.
http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20111115-stratfor-conversation-george-friedman-and-special-guest-robert-kaplan?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20111116&utm_term=kaplan&utm_content=video&elq=22bd6df753da4264b8f5827af195d88b
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850

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| 27 NOV 2011 at 4:54pm |
BesilariusCommander


Posts : 1543 Joined: 14 NOV 2003
Status : Offline | Buddy Hackett on Red China. "Well, would look okay on a yellow tablecloth."
"When I must choose an officer to perform an act that requires a good brain, everything else being equal, I choose the one with the biggest nose." - Napoleon
"If you'll believe that, you'll believe anything." - the Duke of Wellington
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| 29 NOV 2011 at 10:51pm |
GDS StarfuryGeneral


Posts : 16394 Joined: 26 MAY 2001 Location: 0, Starbase 10
Status : Offline | if something kicks off in the next 20 years, China is going to get creamed.
beyond 20 years is to fluid to warrent speculation.
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| 30 NOV 2011 at 3:11pm |
ActionJackColonel


Posts : 7881 Joined: 19 SEP 2005
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By GDS_Starfury
if something kicks off in the next 20 years, China is going to get creamed.
beyond 20 years is to fluid to warrent speculation.
If one defines "creamed" as the effect the U.S. has had on its adversaries over the last decade of war then perhaps the description is apt. Certainly before the war one would have so predicted. I'm not so certain that prediction would have been judged as accurate.
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850

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| 27 DEC 2011 at 1:05pm |
GDS StarfuryGeneral


Posts : 16394 Joined: 26 MAY 2001 Location: 0, Starbase 10
Status : Offline | an article on Chinese subs.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/china-submarines/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WiredDangerRoom+%28Blog+-+Danger+Room%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
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| 28 DEC 2011 at 12:34pm |
Ned72Centurion


Posts : 166 Joined: 29 DEC 2008
Status : Offline | Originally Posted By KevlarSocks
. . . If China is claiming the South China Sea even within national boundaries of other countries there then it is likely it will come to a shooting war. It might be 20 to 50 years away. In that situation I fear Vancouver may become a Chinese beachhead in North America. It has a massive Chinese population.
HEY SOCKS
How about some commentary and analysis on the secret "Israeli / Chinese" unholy alliance?
http://www.wargamer.com/forums/posts.asp?t=582199
Apologies to Jarhead and everyone else.
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| 28 DEC 2011 at 8:24pm |
GDS StarfuryGeneral


Posts : 16394 Joined: 26 MAY 2001 Location: 0, Starbase 10
Status : Offline | its realpolotik.
Israel has been the US's glacis plate since 1948.
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