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Topic: "pardon" for irish soldiers who fought in WW2

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3 JAN 2012 at 5:07am

yossarian

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because England was considered the "old enemy" and Ireland declared itself neutral, those soldiers who left to fight were listed as deserters.

 

on their return (those who did return) were blacklisted from jobs and in some cases had their children taken into care as a punishment, placed with state run and catholic institutions, where being the children of deserters were singled out for special attention. As if the attention in those places wasn't bad enough.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16387821

 

What an utter utter disgrace

 

are we to be thankful they're "reviewing the matter"



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3 JAN 2012 at 6:44am

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Very disgusting treatment of war veterans, horrible doesn't begin to touch it.  Saying that they are reviewing the matter, still shows a lack of respect. 


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3 JAN 2012 at 7:43am

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Im of the opposite view. The Irish government didnt go far enough. They shouldve imposed very stiff prison sentences for these deserters for  abandoning their duty and risking Irelands neutrality. Worse yet they jeopardized their country to fight a war for a hostile foreign powers cause. I wouldve given those who returned life in prison and for those who stayed abroad I wouldve filed for extradition.



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3 JAN 2012 at 8:31am

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I am a Canadian with strong family ties to "the old country".  During WWII Eire was a newly independent country having just won independence from Great Britain

after centuries of bitter struggle.  Anti-British feelings were fresh and deep and there were fears that Britain would re-occupy the "Free State" to prevent any

German moves (they had recently made a few) and to secure some important bases.  The country was officially neutral but politically favoured some kind of

accomodation with Britain and the United States.  The soldiers in question were on duty to defend their country during a time of world war.  For whatever reason

they went to fight for Great Britain.  How would Americans feel about members of their armed forces who deserted and went to fight for Italy, Germany or Japan

during the USA's long period of neutrality in the first years of the war?  Punishing the children was overboard even by Irish standards.


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3 JAN 2012 at 1:11pm

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Its a shame Irelands new Govt. was so afraid of being seen to side with the old enemy in 1939 that they couldn't do the right thing, like these 5000 soldiers did, but instead sheltered behind Britains hated Army (with its multitude of Irish volunteers, protestant AND catholic) whilst Europe was overrun.

 

At worst these guys should have done a little time for going AWOL, but then promoted to NCO's or officers in the Irish Army to reflect & utilise their combat experience.

 

Traditionally a large number of Irishmen have volunteered to join the British Army - almost 150,000 from catholic backgrounds in WW1 for example.



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