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| 1 FEB 2012 at 12:15pm | |
HaiggCenturion![]() Posts : 50 Joined: 5 FEB 2009 Status : Offline | Hi All,
FYI, I got on a nostalgia kick yesterday and Googled Chris Crawford's name. One thing led to another and the next thing you know I am on an "Abandon Ware" site down loading Fire-Brigade. B-t-w, I purchased the game when it was released in 1988 but could never get it to run properly. Maybe I did not throw the correct autoexec.bat switch or create enough virtual memory, who knows.
I felt kind of weird about the whole thing so I emailed Panther Games to make sure it was ok to download and play. Dave O'Conner was nice enough to repond. According to Dave, he knows it is out there but has no objection to people downloading and playing.
Unfortunately, after a few turns the game requires a code from the manual. Dave does not have a manual in a digital format that can be read by his existing software.
So coming to the point (finally), does anyone have a copy of the Fire-Brigade manual they would be willing to sell or make into a pdf and email to me (I would pay a fee for the pdf copy-no problem as long as it is reasonable).
Thanks.
Haigg |
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| 1 FEB 2012 at 7:37pm | |
tgb123Commander![]() ![]() Posts : 1474 Joined: 13 NOV 2009 Status : Offline | I thought I was familiar with the Crawford ouvre. What is Fire Brigade, and what is the connection to Panther Games? |
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| 1 FEB 2012 at 7:52pm | |
phredd1Commander![]() Posts : 1065 Joined: 10 SEP 2006 Status : Offline | Go to http://www.old-games.com Type fire brigade in the search window and the manual will be there, ready to download. One mistake, and you're sliding down the razor blade of defeat, and a dull, rusted, and poisoned blade at that. |
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| 1 FEB 2012 at 7:58pm | |
phredd1Commander![]() Posts : 1065 Joined: 10 SEP 2006 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By tgb123 (1 FEB 2012 7:37pm)
Fire Brigade has nothing to do with Chris Crawford. It is an old, but still enjoyable game about the Battle for Kiev in 1943, published by a company called Panther Games. These gents were based in Australia. I don't know if they are the same group that put out Battles for the Bulge recently, as I don't have the game. My guess is that they are.
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| 2 FEB 2012 at 1:48am | |
DCostaBanned for 4406 days Posts : 477 Joined: 24 DEC 2011 Location: IE Status : Offline | Originally Posted By phredd1 (1 FEB 2012 7:58pm)
One and the same.
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| 2 FEB 2012 at 9:13am | |
HaiggCenturion![]() Posts : 50 Joined: 5 FEB 2009 Status : Offline | Phredd1,
Thanks very much for pointing me to the website. Sorry about the Chris Crawford mis-direct. I Googled the title to one of Chris's games and ultimately ended up at the Abandon-ware site where I found Panther's Fire-Brigade.
Regrettably, whoever made the PDF of the manual did not understand the importance of the codes in the corners. Most of the corners are cut-off. Nevertheless, it is cool to have a PDF of the manual. I am going to pass it on to Dave O'Conner at Panther Games.
I believe one gentleman asked a question "what is Fire-Brigade". I believe the reference is to the 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler (LSSAH) which was attached (?) to the 48th Panzer Corps in the fighting around Zhitomir-Kiev in late 1943. Whenever things got bad for the Germans in 1943-44, Manstein would restablize the front by throwing in the II Panzer Corps composed of LSSAH, Das Riech, and Totenkopf. Hence, Adolph Hitler's sobriquet "Fire-Briagde". Joachim Pieper and Michael Wittman are associated with the division which further elevates its notoriety. As well as some very unsavory incidents involving the murder of prisoners during its deployment on the Eastern Front and finally at Malmedy during the Ardennes Offensive.
I hate putting bad information out there so read the preceding paragraph with a high degree of skepticism since it represents about 30 minutes of Wiki research on the LSSAH. I know enough about the German Army and its activities in WWII to be dangerous.
Regards,
Haigg
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| 2 FEB 2012 at 3:51pm | |
ArjunaCenturion![]() Posts : 201 Joined: 19 SEP 2003 Location: AU Status : Offline | IIRC we used the term Fire-Brigade to refer to the 48th Pz Korps. The Germans used the term at all levels though. So you could have a mobile company being referred to as the Brigade's fire-brigade. |
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| 2 FEB 2012 at 7:52pm | |
phredd1Commander![]() Posts : 1065 Joined: 10 SEP 2006 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Haigg (2 FEB 2012 9:13am)
I forgot about those codes, my bad. This should help:
PAGES CODES
4 379 5 115 6 283 7 197 8 135 9 571 10 562 11 234 12 169 13 969 14 236 15 567 16 192 17 012 18 686 19 004 20 420 21 719 22 512 23 398 24 913 25 459 26 041 27 924 28 961 29 576 30 610 31 375 32 672 33 074 34 990 35 078 36 384 37 889 38 473 39 962 40 252 41 831 42 259 43 946 44 489 45 827 46 766 47 940 48 160 49 467 50 792 51 959 52 025 53 597 54 386 55 353 56 345 57 869 58 185 59 109 60 069 61 368 62 387 63 047
I double checked the list, so i'm pretty sure I got it right. I'd have scanned my manual for you, but my scanner died and I can't afford the luxury of paying to have it done. Pass them along to Dave O'Connor as well. Enjoy. One mistake, and you're sliding down the razor blade of defeat, and a dull, rusted, and poisoned blade at that. |
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| 3 FEB 2012 at 3:11am | |
jjdenverCenturion![]() Posts : 260 Joined: 22 FEB 2008 Status : Offline | Wow does that bring back memories. I spent many hours playing that game years ago. It was a really fun game. |
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| 3 FEB 2012 at 4:08am | |
DCostaBanned for 4406 days Posts : 477 Joined: 24 DEC 2011 Location: IE Status : Offline | The game is still being sold. For £15!!! |
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| 3 FEB 2012 at 10:47am | |
HaiggCenturion![]() Posts : 50 Joined: 5 FEB 2009 Status : Offline | Hi Phredd1,
Below is text of message sent to Dave O'Conner yesterday.
Hi Dave, Bless your heart indeed. That is very kind of you to provide the codes and I did not realize you were the source of the manual pdf. I guess it is no secret that Panther is working on an Eastern Front title for the Command Ops engine. I will send Dave the codes for his files.
Thanks again for all your help.
Haigg
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| 3 FEB 2012 at 10:49am | |
HaiggCenturion![]() Posts : 50 Joined: 5 FEB 2009 Status : Offline | Hi DeCosta,
Where did you find a copy still for sell...on Ebay?
Thanks.
Haigg |
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| 3 FEB 2012 at 10:55am | |
phredd1Commander![]() Posts : 1065 Joined: 10 SEP 2006 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Haigg (3 FEB 2012 10:47am)
I wasn't the poster of the manual, I bought Fire-Brigade when it first came out, and have kept it all these years, and I just copied the codes from the manual. I just noticed the manual posted on the old-games site when I was visiting.
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| 3 FEB 2012 at 11:00am | |
HaiggCenturion![]() Posts : 50 Joined: 5 FEB 2009 Status : Offline | Arjuna,
Thanks for clarifying the use of the term "Fire-Brigade". Trying to follow the activities of LSSAH based on Wiki info was highly confusing and suspect. I have copy of Men of Steel, IISS Panzer Corps in my library although I think it only covers the Corps campaigns in the west. Now, I have something to do this weekend...researching the Corps in the east .
Regards,
Haigg |
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| 3 FEB 2012 at 1:24pm | |
DCostaBanned for 4406 days Posts : 477 Joined: 24 DEC 2011 Location: IE Status : Offline | http://www.retrogames.co.uk/more/on/details/000862
Not in stock but they have it also for £9 aswell I see.
http://www.retrogames.co.uk/more/on/details/024401
I wish i could insert links but my link is greyed out.
Just notice the £15 is for the amiga and the £9 is for the Atri ST.
I ownded both those machines at one time.
It also looks like I'm going to reget giiving away my Amstrad 464 years ago with about 60 to 100 games. As it seems most games are selling from £5 upwards!! Last edited by DCosta : 3 FEB 2012 1:30pm |
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| 4 FEB 2012 at 3:57pm | |
AndyBrownCenturion![]() Posts : 73 Joined: 27 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Guys, my copy of the manual has the following additional codes:
Page:
64 874 65 699 66 188 67 906 68 076 69 147 70 043 71 609 72 540 73 238 74 785 75 319 76 451 77 732 78 899 79 539 80 105
Note also that there is a bug (in my version of the program anyway) that resets the terrain to "Mud" every time you load a saved game. Bit of a game breaker if you can't play a game through without switching off your computer.
I really love this game. I worked in the Brit div HQ during Desert Storm and Fire Brigade recaptures the feeling of those twice daily staff meetings in a way that later Panther "pausable, continuous time" games don't come close to doing.
Cheers,
Andy |
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| 5 FEB 2012 at 10:28am | |
phredd1Commander![]() Posts : 1065 Joined: 10 SEP 2006 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By AndyBrown (4 FEB 2012 3:57pm)
Very Interesting. My manual only had 64 pages total. What machine was your game designed for? Mine was for the IBM beasts. I don't seem to have the bug you mentioned.
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| 5 FEB 2012 at 10:53pm | |
AndyBrownCenturion![]() Posts : 73 Joined: 27 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Phredd1,
My manual is the one that came with my original, store-bought version of the game. Inside the manual, it says "Effective 5 December 1988" and the IBM PC Version Supplement includes the statement "Effective 1 June 1989". The extra pages are historical background, scenario descriptions and strategy hints so it's understandable why they may have been left out of electronic copies.
The actual code I'm using I downloaded, I think, from the Underdogs abandonware site. I'll try and find an alternative to see if that removes the save-game mud bug I've encountered.
Cheers,
Andy |
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| 6 FEB 2012 at 7:47pm | |
phredd1Commander![]() Posts : 1065 Joined: 10 SEP 2006 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By AndyBrown (5 FEB 2012 10:53pm)
My manual also came from my store bought purchase. However, the Player Manual says; "Effective 1 February 1990", which is the same date on my IBM PC Version supplement. It also included a Scenario Booklet of 24 pages which pretty much covers the manual page count difference, but it did not have any Codes printed on it's pages. I guess they fixed the "mud" bug in the interval, as I'm using the original game disks, and haven't run across it.
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| 8 FEB 2012 at 2:00pm | |
Nicholas BellCenturion![]() ![]() Posts : 91 Joined: 17 MAY 2005 Location: US, Alaska Status : Offline | This thread reminded me of the campaign add-on "Kampfgruppe Peiper: 1943" Campaign for HPS Simulations "Tigers on
The following sources provided information used in this campaign game. (Sure wish Glantz had been publishing back then)
The following brief summary provides a outline for LSSAH's participation
This is Map 7 referenced below
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| 8 FEB 2012 at 4:01pm | |
HaiggCenturion![]() Posts : 50 Joined: 5 FEB 2009 Status : Offline | Nicholas,
That is a beautiful piece of historical scholarship. I hope the guys over at Panther Games will consider the interest this thread has stirred when considering scenarios/campaigns to include in their up-coming eastern front game. It seems like this operation would be high on their list of potential candidates for game inclusion.
Thanks for making the description available on this thread. I have already printed it out and put it in my Fire-Brigade folder.
Regards,
Haigg. |
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| 8 FEB 2012 at 4:25pm | |
ArjunaCenturion![]() Posts : 201 Joined: 19 SEP 2003 Location: AU Status : Offline | Our next release title will be an East Front one but will focus on the Battles along the Chir river just after Stalingrad. However, I am sure as time progresses either us or a community developer will cover the Kiev battles. As with Battles from the Bulge our upcoming East Front title will include a full set of editors, so there will be nothing preventing you from designing whatever battle you like. |
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| 9 FEB 2012 at 12:49pm | |
phantomCenturion![]() Posts : 211 Joined: 7 OCT 2011 Location: UK Status : Offline | I note the similarity in the movement icons between Fire Brigade & more recent Panther Games (no surprise there I guess - if it ain't broke don't fix it!) but I also note a similar layout was used on the V for Victory series - was Dave O'Connor involved in this? I ask as the three games/series also have one other thing in common - they were/are all very intelligent games and well ahead of their time.
Great to hear an eastern front game coming out - I must admit after getting Airborne Assault my main reason for not getting series continuations has been lack of interest in the theater rather than the game concept - I suspect I'll be an easy sale for any Chir River conflict however. |
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| 9 FEB 2012 at 4:32pm | |
ArjunaCenturion![]() Posts : 201 Joined: 19 SEP 2003 Location: AU Status : Offline | Originally Posted By phantom (9 FEB 2012 12:49pm)
No I had nothing to do with the V for Victory games. But good interface design is good interface design and you shouldn't be surprised to see different games using it. Just take a look at productivity software from different companies they all tend to use the same basic layouts.
And phantom, I recommend you try out the Battles from the Bulge Demo just to see how we've progressed the game engine since Highway to the Reich (HTTR). Also we have just released an HTTR expansion pack for BFTB that allows you to play many of the scenarios from the original HTTR using the new engine plus there is a brand new mega scenario that allows you top play all the action from the Nijmegen and Arnhem sectors together. |
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| 9 FEB 2012 at 7:44pm | |
phredd1Commander![]() Posts : 1065 Joined: 10 SEP 2006 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By phantom (9 FEB 2012 12:49pm)
I'm happy as well that the next game is on the Eastern Front.........I've not purchased any of the other games after Fire Brigade, as the theatres just didn't hold my interest. Something to look forward to...........................................
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