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22 APR 2012 at 5:42pm

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I tried to back into total war by playing Shogun 2 and Napoleon TW, however I find myself bored after a couple of turns.  It just feels like been there done that like all of the others and I get disinterested.  I wanted to get into a Napoleon game and really just turned NTW off after a couple of turns... moved to STW2 and did the same thing.  Think for me Total War just does not do it anymore as it feels the same.  

 

I wanted to try Crown of Glory but not going to pay $50.00.... oh well, its not like I don't have tons of other crap setting around!  Need my Napolenic Strategy Fix though.....

 

 

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22 APR 2012 at 5:59pm

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TW does that to me most of the time I fire it up.  My longest stretch has been my first campaign game in STW2, so the biggest problem is obviously getting the AI to give me an interesting enough challenge and stop behaving ridiculously.


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22 APR 2012 at 6:34pm

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Originally Posted By panzerseast (22 APR 2012 5:42pm)

I wanted to get into a Napoleon game

 

Try this?

 

 



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22 APR 2012 at 7:06pm

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Originally Posted By JaguarUSF (22 APR 2012 6:34pm)

Originally Posted By panzerseast (22 APR 2012 5:42pm)

I wanted to get into a Napoleon game

 

Try this?

 

 

 

Thanks Jag,Yep got it and like it.  However I wish they had  a Single player campaign.  I like the Custom Battles over the Multiplayer as the mp is too chaotic.  The custom battles could use some more features and a larger map/plains as posted in the other forum. 

 

 

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22 APR 2012 at 7:06pm

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You might also want to consider this:

 

http://www.histwar.com/

 

 

Check out the demo and see if you like it.

 

 

 


  

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22 APR 2012 at 7:27pm

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There's something about Total War that feels extremely tiring for me.   I play for a few weeks then stop.  Then play again.

I guess it's the combination of strategic and tactical.  Games with pure strategic or pure tactical has more focus and streamlined gameplay afterall.  Though I'm tempted to skip all battles and let the AI handle it for me (a good sugestion for those who find it too easy to beat the AI), it would mean my A$$ may get beaten up badly and I will regret it as opposed to commanding the battle myself.

 

It's the same feeling I get playing a Close Combat campaign.  But that one is worse since I am not able to skip battles and the strategic aspect is not deep.

 


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22 APR 2012 at 9:16pm

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If you find the ai too easy in Total War games turn off morale and you'll get a much better challenge because then the ai will fight almost to the last man instead of all this silly routing and getting slaughtered running off the map. Also another plus for the ai turn on unlimited arrows. I still play the best one Medieval Total War with the XL mod almost exclusively anymore. I still like that map style better (board game like) and I like the way the ai plays a better game when it doesn't have to keep up with 10000 squares and its provincial combat system like RISK is the best by far.


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22 APR 2012 at 10:11pm

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Panzer. I think we should have a list\group of wargamer.com total war opponents.

We would serve as you own personal drop in AI. THis will change the game for you and the way you play.

No more easy sieges or taking on full stacks without a little fear.

 

Being from wargamer.com we will not do anything mean spirited or unrealistic.

Being that their would be a few people in the group from different time zones hopefully one of us would be online.

Being that we are a group you would get a variety of human generals.

 

Perhaps you could even allocate us as generals... well that will not work as you will pop us off to the grave quickly enough

 

Personally I loved playing the baddies for mates even when I was out numbered 20:1

 

P.S. Drop in battles work with NTW and STW2. The idea is that when you commit to a tactical battle in your campaign that you allow a human to play as your opponent.


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23 APR 2012 at 7:18am

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But does it work if one person has mods installed?

 

 


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23 APR 2012 at 12:22pm

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My advice is do not buy anymore Totalwar games in the future so we can be saved from moaning old men negative threads like this.



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23 APR 2012 at 12:30pm

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Originally Posted By Wolverine101 (22 APR 2012 9:16pm)

If you find the ai too easy in Total War games turn off morale and you'll get a much better challenge because then the ai will fight almost to the last man instead of all this silly routing and getting slaughtered running off the map. Also another plus for the ai turn on unlimited arrows. I still play the best one Medieval Total War with the XL mod almost exclusively anymore. I still like that map style better (board game like) and I like the way the ai plays a better game when it doesn't have to keep up with 10000 squares and its provincial combat system like RISK is the best by far.

 

I normally turn up the battle difficulty so the AI gets a morale bonus.  But then it's just more unbelievable artifical feeling when the enemy's troops keep rushing you until they're nearly all dead and the routing ones stop, turn, and come back at you.

 

I've had high hopes for some of the mods and AI 'fixes' but much of the problem areas are hard-coded, and ultimately TW is being increasingly mod-restricted with each new release.

 

Thankfully I've found other somewhat sufficient substitutes that seem to be a bit more challenging in the tac battle arena, but they're all fantasy/medieval settings.

 


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23 APR 2012 at 3:19pm

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Originally Posted By Silent Disapproval Robot (23 APR 2012 7:18am)

But does it work if one person has mods installed?

 

 

Yes it does. Of course everybody has to have exactly the same mods.

 


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23 APR 2012 at 4:36pm

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Originally Posted By panzerseast (22 APR 2012 5:42pm)

 

 

I wanted to try Crown of Glory but not going to pay $50.00.... oh well, its not like I don't have tons of other crap setting around!  Need my Napolenic Strategy Fix though.....

 

I've really eyed CoGEE but I can't justify dropping that kind of cash on a game that runs at such a low fixed resolution.  Maybe 8 years ago when I used a CRT monitor.  Too bad they can't easily update it with such an adjustment.

 

 


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24 APR 2012 at 6:33am

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Originally Posted By AAshbery76 (23 APR 2012 12:22pm)

My advice is do not buy anymore Totalwar games in the future so we can be saved from moaning old men negative threads like this.

 

Just FYI, I am probably half your age and the only "negative" old man here is you..... grumpy(!?).  Not sure why you wasted your time slandering someone who is on a Wargame forum talking about wargames....  My advice to you is if you don't like the thread, move on and don't waste our time having to read your repugnant post.

 

Good day.

 

 

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24 APR 2012 at 7:07am

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It's not a huge game but for the price it could be a good deal for you:

 

Imperial Glory at GOG for 5.99$:

 

http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/imperial_glory

 

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24 APR 2012 at 7:10am

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Another option but it's really much older:

 

War & Peace:

 

http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-WAP/war-and-peace

 

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24 APR 2012 at 9:30am

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Originally Posted By panzerseast (22 APR 2012 5:42pm)

 

I wanted to try Crown of Glory but not going to pay $50.00.... oh well, its not like I don't have tons of other crap setting around!  Need my Napolenic Strategy Fix though.....

 

 

 

I dunno -- I'm of the school of thought that I'd much rather spend $50 on a really solid, deep game with an excellent reputation than $10 on 5 games during GG / Steam etc. sales that I spend a few hours with and then never touch again.

 

I"ve had my eye on Crown of Glory EE for a long time as well -- wondering how it compares in quality and overall fun to Forge of Freedom (same dev, no?). 


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24 APR 2012 at 9:53am

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Originally Posted By jomni (22 APR 2012 7:27pm)

There's something about Total War that feels extremely tiring for me.   I play for a few weeks then stop.  Then play again.

I guess it's the combination of strategic and tactical.  Games with pure strategic or pure tactical has more focus and streamlined gameplay afterall.  Though I'm tempted to skip all battles and let the AI handle it for me (a good sugestion for those who find it too easy to beat the AI), it would mean my A$$ may get beaten up badly and I will regret it as opposed to commanding the battle myself.

 

It's the same feeling I get playing a Close Combat campaign.  But that one is worse since I am not able to skip battles and the strategic aspect is not deep.

 

 

I've always found TW games to be about as satisfying as a big, unfocused game could be.  I've played all the TW except for the original Shogun and three or four mods (Third Age, For King or Country, Some other Medieval Mod -- stainless steel?).

 

More amazingly, I think Shogun2:FOTS is a classically fun game.  Very satisfying.  It's true I played it obsessively for only a couple of weeks but that's a lot more than I play most games that I enjoy.

 

 



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24 APR 2012 at 9:57am

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Originally Posted By sandman2575 (24 APR 2012 9:30am)

Originally Posted By panzerseast (22 APR 2012 5:42pm)

 

I wanted to try Crown of Glory but not going to pay $50.00.... oh well, its not like I don't have tons of other crap setting around!  Need my Napolenic Strategy Fix though.....

 

 

 

I dunno -- I'm of the school of thought that I'd much rather spend $50 on a really solid, deep game with an excellent reputation than $10 on 5 games during GG / Steam etc. sales that I spend a few hours with and then never touch again.

 

I"ve had my eye on Crown of Glory EE for a long time as well -- wondering how it compares in quality and overall fun to Forge of Freedom (same dev, no?). 

 

Good point.  Looked for a Let's play but could not find one to help get an idea of the game.  Same dev as FoF.  I'll look around for a AAR.

 

 

 

Thanks Anguille for the post, I have missed War & Peace all together and really will give Imperial Glory a try, especially at $5.00 really nothing to lose.   I remember when it came out but never gave it a try.

 

 

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24 APR 2012 at 10:08am

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Imperial Glory was okay, but nothing amazing.  The campaign side was rather small, although it's basic mechanics were like the old TWs.  The tactical battles were quite RTS-gamey unless you popped a certain mod in for it, which made them somewhat better.

 

It's really just TW lite, but you may get a short stretch of entertainment.


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24 APR 2012 at 10:14am

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Originally Posted By Nefaro (24 APR 2012 10:08am)

Imperial Glory was okay, but nothing amazing.  The campaign side was rather small, although it's basic mechanics were like the old TWs.  The tactical battles were quite RTS-gamey unless you popped a certain mod in for it, which made them somewhat better.

 

It's really just TW lite, but you may get a short stretch of entertainment.

 

How is the diplomacy and economic side?  If you choose to auto-resolve battles where the results balanced?

 

 

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24 APR 2012 at 10:18am

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I don't think the Auto-resolve did well for the player IIRC, but it's been a long time since I played - got it not long after release.

 

Diplo and Economy is barely there.  Not much to talk about in those cases.  You'll notice the empty holes where they should be quite a bit.


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I have the same problem with Total War games, for same reasons mentioned before, AI not good, all total war feels the same since the first one, not much to explore anymore, so much repition in battles, in addition to those reason I found out that I hate the loading between the battle and the campaign also the waiting time between turns, those loading kill the immersion for me, thats why I am playing Hegemony: Gold and Knights of Honor instead.

Auto resolve will not make TW intersting at all, since we have paradox games.



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24 APR 2012 at 8:50pm

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Originally Posted By RodyMetal (24 APR 2012 12:18pm)

I have the same problem with Total War games, for same reasons mentioned before, AI not good, all total war feels the same since the first one, not much to explore anymore, so much repition in battles, in addition to those reason I found out that I hate the loading between the battle and the campaign also the waiting time between turns, those loading kill the immersion for me, thats why I am playing Hegemony: Gold and Knights of Honor instead.

Auto resolve will not make TW intersting at all, since we have paradox games.

 

I actually enjoy the loading before turns. Its the perfect game to play while cooking or doing house chores.

I walk off during loads and actually get more done than I do in other gaming stints


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25 APR 2012 at 12:44pm

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Originally Posted By destraex (24 APR 2012 8:50pm)

 

 

I actually enjoy the loading before turns. Its the perfect game to play while cooking or doing house chores.

I walk off during loads and actually get more done than I do in other gaming stints

 

You should pick up Pride Of Nations.  Once the wars start up, you can get a good amount done each turn!

 

 


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