Originally Posted By jomni (26 JUN 2012 12:39am)

Actually there's nothing in that CMx2 upgrade that interests me.  Sorry fanboys, but those changes don't add a whole lot to the gaming experience.  So I won't be supporting BF in this.

 

For those complaining about the paid upgade... Including the update in the Market Garden module sounds like a good deal.  Instead of just paying to update your CMBN.  You will buy that module anyway right?

 

But I would prefer to see the time when they release something to fix the Quick Battles.

 

I'm glad I haven't tried CMBN.  Looks like I'll be skipping that.  As a CMSF player, that new modern conflict is interesting.

Jomni, Jomni... are you too, now getting dragged into the pits of the trolls?

Just because you do not see anything interesting in the Cmx2 upgrade it makes others who do suddenly all fanboys?

Tsk. Tsk.

Steve when say that pay to increase value of an "old" game i feel like he call me stupid because what is the price of CM:BN today??? is 50% of original??? i think that he needs take a trip on Steam to see WHAT IS a lose of value in a game.

A patch is to FIX or ADD missing features, i have a lot of games that add in a patch more than the 2.0 update (for me 1.1 because i dont see a great change in engine) is going to add and companies dont sell them because customers them.

If Battlefront needs money they have the modules, enough to milk customers but now they want milk who doesnt want add-ons because to play with guys that use new add-ons  he needs buy the patch.

Originally Posted By Wolverine101 (25 JUN 2012 1:44pm)

Seriously - give me a single cogent argument why they would - and more importantly given their size Could do that in your view of the world ?

 

Norbsoft did it by adding another MAP PAK to Gettysburg:Scourge of War and a whole bunch of scenarios for it. He's much smaller than Battlefront and NO Charge for it either. Oh and don't give me that that's not an update, he had to sit there and CODE those maps and code all those scenarios for it. An update is an update whether it improves the mechanics of the game or not. Many things I see in the CM update should have been in he origional version anyways.

 

Whatever happened to CMSF being the TEMPLATE for CMX2? Yeah I remember Steve and Moon telling that once they get CMSF down pat that future versions would run well from the experiences they got with CMSF, but, low and behold they need more money now from the mistakes they made with CMBN and forgot to include so now they'll include them and just charge you more. Then down the road they'll add a few more niggly things and charge you more again. What's wrong with just the profits from the new MODULES? That was suppose to be their plan from the beginning. New Modules, New profits. Not gouging their customers with niggly EXTRA charges for a few new pieces of mechanical coding.

Same old BS argument ... Why SHOULD they have been in the original game ? What - was it one of the ten commandments I missed ? Did God say thou shalt have moveable waypoints ? You see you people who say that are effectively making an argument that BF should go on upgrading the games they produce ad inifinitum with all the things YOU think should have been in the original. It makes no commercial sense whatsoever. You got the game you paid for. The fact YOU wanted other things does not an argument for them giving it to you for free make. Perhaps you wanted the entire forces of world war two in one 55 buck package ? Are BF holding your kids hostage and forcing you to buy this stuff ? No. There are I suspect plenty people willing to pay for this stuff to be added - and more importantly I suspect BF have worked out this is the only way they can do it and stay in business.  Your bleeting about them fleecing people and somehow implying they are being underhand or greedy is trolling of the very worst kind. They make a product people buy it if they want. That particular concept has been around for thousands of years so perhaps you should educate yourself.

Originally Posted By Hexagon (26 JUN 2012 2:23am)

Steve when say that pay to increase value of an "old" game i feel like he call me stupid because what is the price of CM:BN today??? is 50% of original??? i think that he needs take a trip on Steam to see WHAT IS a lose of value in a game.

 

A patch is to FIX or ADD missing features, i have a lot of games that add in a patch more than the 2.0 update (for me 1.1 because i dont see a great change in engine) is going to add and companies dont sell them because customers them.

 

If Battlefront needs money they have the modules, enough to milk customers but now they want milk who doesnt want add-ons because to play with guys that use new add-ons  he needs buy the patch.

 

 

There are no fixes in the upgrades - the only things that are new are additions - just because you say they were somehow missing doesnt mean anyone else thinks they were.

Originally Posted By Wolverine101 (25 JUN 2012 7:15pm)

Also just to show you look what all we Crusader Kings II owners get tomorrow for FREE:

 

Well folks, tomorrow we release patch 1.06 and the Sword of Islam expansion. Until then, for the curious among you, here is the (mostly complete) change log:

MAJOR:
- Muslim Decadence System
- Muslim Polygamy
- Added new provinces, titles and history for Mali, Songhay and Ghana
- Added the province of Aprutium (split off from Spoleto)
- Added the new creatable Empires of Russia, Britannia, Spain, Francia, Scandinavia, Persia and Arabia
- Strong and Weak Claim System
- Overhaul of game text for Muslims
- Added plots to claim titles
- Split up the former Kingdom of Khazaria into many de jure kingdoms
- Split the Kingdom of Rus into the kingdoms of Rus and Ruthenia
- Added the duchies of Susa and Latium
- Revised murder plots completely. No decisions, just events.
- Commander traits added
- Heavily revised combat tactics
- Loads of new events

MINOR:
- AI: Much more eager to join Crusades/Jihads if it has de jure interests in the target kingdom
- AI: Much more eager to join Crusades/Jihads if in the same realm as the religious head
- AI: More stubborn about fighting decadence revolters
- AI: Tweaked Crusade targetting - will no longer target kingdoms with 0 'holiness' value for that religion
- AI: Non-Muslims will not accept marriages for female relatives with Muslims, unless they are vassals
- AI: Now prefers giving baronies/counties to courtiers with static dynasties rather than creating random characters
- AI: Vassals of vassals can now correctly revolt to depose their liege
- AI: DoW now factors in the strength of enemies of enemies
- AI: Willing to join another rebelling vassal's war for the crown only if they'd like them better as _liege_
- AI: Vassals should no longer start wars (except for revolts) if the whole realm is under attack from outside
- AI: Caliphs will now be more aggressive with calling Jihads
- Army AI: Will now assault when appropriate
- Army AI: Fixed a problem where you could trick AI armies into ping-ponging while it was trying to gather its forces
- Army AI: Fixed some issues where it would not count attached units properly
- Army AI: Better at moving across land without marching together with other armies, causing unnecessary attrition
- Army AI: Improved attrition check in targetting calculations
- Army AI: Fixed an issue where it would merge armies to huge sizes by not considering attached forces
- Invasion AI: Fixed an issue where it would choose poor secondary targets if the target province was too heavily defended
- No longer possible to call lieges to war against their own vassals
- Fixed a bug with the succession message not being shown for the ones who inherit titles
- Fixed an issue with the de jure law vote message not going away when trying to approve it
- Slightly increased merc reinforcement rates
- Fixed a memory leak with timed opinion modifiers that time out naturally
- Moved the county of Chalons into Lower Burgundy and Grisons into Upper Burgundy
- Fixed a bug with the depose liege CB sometimes making the new ruler independent (bug in the effect 'abdicate_to_most_liked_by').
- Fixed a bug with the effect 'abdicate_to_most_liked_by' that would invalidate outside wars
- Fixed a bug with the 'grant_title' effect which would assign the liege to the liege of the granter
- Fixed a potential infinite loop in war name generation
- Fixed a bug with the Feudal Elective law being tolerated for Republics
- If the loser in a war is imprisoned, he is now automatically released on peace
- Fixed a bug with created characters sometimes getting duplicate education traits
- People who avoid imprisonment will now always flee to another realm
- Added a whole bunch of cleaned up title coats of arms
- Muslim coats of arms should now use better colors
- No longer allowed to grant titles to prisoners
- You can now correctly press the de jure claims of vassals of vassals
- Fixed a bug with being able to call vassals of vassals of the enemy into wars within the same realm
- When winning (enforce or reverse) a war, all prisoners from your realm held by the enemy are now released
- Added opinion modifiers 'Imprisoned my Child' and 'Executed my Child'
- No longer allowed to ask to join outsider wars against your liege
- Fixed a bug with the depose liege CB in republics and bishoprics
- Rulers deposed with the 'depose' casus belli no longer get any land from their old vassals to remain rulers
- Fixed an issue where a ruler could not offer peace to a rebelling vassal if he had holdings occupied by another (loyal) vassal in a separate war
- Fixed a bug with the hostility icons for loyal vassals in separate wars with rebelling vassals
- If a vassal is at war with another vassal who is rebelling, the war no longer ends if the liege wins and the rebellion is crushed
- Fixed a bug with lieges ending up in two wars if a vassal revolted while a revoke action was pending
- Blocked excomm wars against revolters
- Fixed some issues with succession not being recalculated after certain event effects
- Peace Offers now make it clear whether it's a demand for surrender, white peace or surrender
- Cleaned up all CB tooltips
- The initial Seljuk-Byzantine war is now a full invasion of the de jure kingdom of Armenia
- Added "Scarred" trait
- Fixed a bug allowing rulers of a hostile religion to vote for de jure laws even when not de facto vassals
- Toned down base attribute gain of children from guardians
- Optimized the CPU heaviest events
- Fixed a nasty old crash bug with the defection of the Victual Brothers
- Fixed a hostility bug with allies helping to defend against a revolter
- Fixed an issue with Gavelkind inheritance in baronies, where the youngest child would inherit first
- Fixed an issue with the random seed in delayed events
- Fixed a bug allowing you to usurp titles from your own vassals
- Fixed an issue with vassals of vassals gaining independence when you pressed their claims
- The titular kingdoms of Naples and Trinacria are no longer creatable in-game
- The Ecumenical Patriarch will now refuse to excommunicate a character who has repented, even if the Emperor asks
- Merc navies will now disband when not getting paid
- Fixed an issue with the lower Crown Authority plot when the liege folds to the ultimatum of a vassal king
- No longer possible to grant duchies to barons
- The event effect 'destroy_landed_title' now gives the current holder a strong claim on the title
- The events where the Mongols receive reinforcements no longer trigger if the titles are held by non-Tengri or non-Mongol rulers
- Fixed an issue with attached units and siege outcomes
- Fixed a bug with Revokation plot wars against vassals who lose the title to someone else
- Fixed a bug where a vassal in revolt against his liege would sometimes have the war end inconclusively when the liege got a new liege
- Fixed an issue where children would change guardian if they became landed
- AI spouses of lower rank than you will now always accept education requests- In feudal elective titular realms, _all_ vassals of the appropriate tier are now electors
- The death of a spouse no longer makes characters lose their jobs
- Characters who end up leading the troops of their enemies should now automatically return home
- The opinion penalties for revoking a title are now applied whether or not the target accepts or refuses
- If a vassal refuses a title revokation and wins or achieves a white peace, the 'declared_war' opinion modifier is now cleared (meaning the liege does not get a 'free' title revokation)
- There is no longer a cooldown for calling allies to war who _accepted_ a previous call
- Primogeniture: more heirs should now be listed
- Gavelkind: fixed a glitch with grandchildren
- Removed impassable terrain between Kartli and Albania
- Fixed unit position in the Irish Sea
- Made Sviatopolk Rurikovich (count of Zaozerye in 1066) a legit bastard
- Heretics and infidels are now barred from inheriting anything that the religious head holds
- The portraits for undiscovered murderers should now be hidden in the event window
- Mercs and Holy Order commanders should no longer be shown in the quick marriage window
- Now always allowed to attach your units to your lieges' units
- Added an event where a ruler converts to the native culture
- Adjusted and improved the events where provinces change culture
- Reactivated the lifting FoW for allies in wars
- Doubled regular assassination costs
- The "Arrange Marriage" button now shows random courtiers if there are too few interesting women around
- There is now a slight chance of a random education outcome
- Fixed some issues with war invalidation for banishment of landed characters
- Can no longer banish mercs, holy order heads, or religious heads
- Attached units that are not in the same province as the master unit are no longer hostile to the master unit's enemies
- The spouse will now get a message on divorce
- Fixed some historical issues with Chios and Lesbos
- The liege should now get pressed claims on _all_ titles of characters who declare independence
- If an ally could legally call you into a war, you should always be able to ask to join as well
- Battle Death should now show the unit owner rather than the unit commander
- Vassals of lieges who are fighting their liege will no longer revolt
- Holy War CBs are now valid for Catholic vassals of Orthodox lieges, etc
- Added automatic county conversion events for Muslims (35500 and 35501)
- Pathfinding now prefers friendly territory to enemy territory
- Vassal vs Liege wars should now end with a _mutual_ truce

FOR MODDERS:
- Exported inbreeding trait gain factors to defines
- Exported most relevant files under common to their own folders, so they can be broken up into multiple files
- Added 'immortal' flag to traits; stops aging, character will not die of age or poor health
- Added 'pilgrimage' flag to traits; the character is away and needs a regent, but can still be a guardian, etc
- Added 'name_tier' to landed titles, so that empires can be called kingdoms, etc
- Added 'pass_effect' to decisions and laws, which is not run by automatic functions (useful for setting opinion modifiers when passing laws.)
- Added event target 'fromfrom'
- Added trigger 'in_revolt'
- Added 'divine_blood' flag to dynasties, which allows full consanguine marriages and tells the AI to prefer keepin' it in the family
- Added 'founder_named_dynasties' to cultures
- Can now script marriage consanguinity rules in religions
- Added a 'potential' trigger to Job Actions
- Added 'dismiss_trigger' to job titles
- Added a 'potential' trigger to traits
- Added trigger 'num_of_realm_counties'
- Added effect 'vassalize_or_take_under_title'
- Added trigger 'death_reason'
- Added event target 'killer'
- Added event effect 'objective_succeeds'
- The trigger 'can_be_given_away' is now more restrictive. Checks occupation or sieges of constituent Holdings, contestation in wars, etc.
- Added history command 'conquest_culture'
- Added trigger 'plot_power_contribution'
- Added trigger 'random'
- Added trigger 'any_potential_tribal_county'
- Added effect 'any_potential_tribal_county'
- Added effect 'random_potential_tribal_county'
- Added 'new' target in effects ( character = new ) for newly created characters
- Added death reason 'death_hashshashin'
- Added effect 'make_primary_spouse'
- Added trigger 'has_strong_claim'
- Added trigger 'has_weak_claim'
- Added effect 'add_weak_claim'
- Added effect 'add_weak_pressed_claim'
- Added trigger 'has_regent'
- Added trigger 'is_contested'
- Added event effect 'any_spouse'
- Added event effect 'random_spouse'
- Added trigger 'any_spouse'
- Added trigger 'is_main_spouse'
- Added a 'distance' trigger

 

and that's just PATCH 1.06 and that's a lot of content for FREE and more to come in the future. Also, before anyone says it this is NOT the MUSLIM DLC content this is the PATCH we all get and FREE.

Yeah wow - its a long list - but 90 % of it are bug fixes and what would be classed as additions seem extremely minor - so what exactly was the point of it ?

To me, the only issue is the price of the upgrade.  When CMBN was released, we were told you buy the base game and then just buy lower cost modules to add content.  Now, if you don't buy the upgrade, the modules won't work.  Not a big deal, but in the same category as the $5 CMBB "patch"...not illegal, not immoral, but a little skeavy.

A bigger issue for me is CMSF being left unfinished.  CM2 has almost been in beta for 5 years.  And I paid over $150 for CMSF hoping they would eventually fix its issues.  If all the stuff being put into CM2 v2.0 was in CMSF, there would be few complaints.

Originally Posted By thewood (26 JUN 2012 5:46am)

 A bigger issue for me is CMSF being left unfinished.  

What issues?  I am fine with the current state of CMSF.  Or have come to terms with it's limitations.

Actually why call it CM2 v2?  And not CM3?

Ok.  I'll quit the trolling and leave this post alone.

The biggest one is QBs still basically not working.  They got better after 1.08, but its still a crapshoot getting them working.  It took free labor from the community to get it working as it stands now.  CMBN was a little better, but still had issues.

A bunch of smaller issues that were never resolved.

Originally Posted By Yskonyn (25 JUN 2012 2:31pm)

Originally Posted By Nefaro (25 JUN 2012 8:02am)

Originally Posted By Yskonyn (25 JUN 2012 6:30am)

 

 

True. CMBN will be upgraded with the new engine.

 

 

LOL.  No.

 

Pretty sure BF stated that you have to pay to get your CMBN & Commonwealth updated.   Pay or buy the new premium-priced expansion.  So that's:  Pay or Pay, for an update.

 

 

 

So, how does this make my comment false?

 

CMBN *will* be upgraded with the new engine. The fact that it will be with a new module and you need to pay for it doesn't change anything.

It will be upgraded, but its up to the individual if he wants to come along for the ride.

 

Besides, you quoted my response which was itself a response to the post above (which I quoted); there is was already made clear that the upgrade was going to be in the form of a new module.

 

Actually it reminds me a bit of the old days where proper expansion packs often added new functionality to the base game. It's the same here and I do not mind. I certainly do not see why all this should be free?

 

The fact that you claim they are dropping CMBN so soon, proves that you are either misunderstanding the situation or just trying to troll.

If you are angry because only after getting the game recently you need to lay down some cash yet again to get the new stuff then you still have the option to just not buy the new module.

It remains a great game and all the content you had for it up until then still works, you know.

And if you do want the new stuff for CMBN then, yes, you have to pay the price, which is nothing unusual or unethic. You can only blame you own timing, as far as I am concerned.

 

 

I have to say the more I think about the bases of vigorously objecting to Battlefront's expansion plans, the more puzzled I become.  For example, why would you want a patch that did not extend your earlier game (CMBN)'s first two modules so that they worked with the new standard?

Why would you think that a new standard that extends the game is some kind of nefarious plot?  Why would you think that a standard that extends a game should be a whole new game (eg CM3 rather than CM2v2)?

It seems that somehow somewhere some stereotypical mode of objecting to the plans of game companies was evolved and this stereotypic mode is applied to any plans and the bigger and more comprehensive the plan the more vigorous the objections no matter how little logic there is to the objections.

Originally Posted By MengJiaoRedux (26 JUN 2012 7:35am)

 

 

I have to say the more I think about the bases of vigorously objecting to Battlefront's expansion plans, the more puzzled I become.

What's to figure out?

I paid around $65 for the latest CM relese, 3 months ago, and now I'm being told I have to pay more to update it. 

I wasn't informed of my purchase becoming outdated in such a very short time beforehand.  If you can't figure out my point, then you're too emotionally involved.

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

Originally Posted By MengJiaoRedux (26 JUN 2012 7:35am)

 

 

I have to say the more I think about the bases of vigorously objecting to Battlefront's expansion plans, the more puzzled I become.

 

What's to figure out?

 

I paid around $65 for the latest CM relese, 3 months ago, and now I'm being told I have to pay more to update it. 

 

 

I wasn't informed of my purchase becoming outdated in such a very short time beforehand.  If you can't figure out my point, then you're too emotionally involved.

 

Nefaro, be honest. You knew that when you purchased CMBN that they will release future modules. I'd be willing to bet that you planned on getting the future modules when you made your initial purchase, and you knew that you'd have to pay for them. The next module for CMBN will be upgraded to the 2.0 features, SO WHY THE F**K ARE YOU BITCHING???

Honestly, it's like you and wolfy are anti-capitalist and anti-progressive. I don't understand that mentality.

And, btw, your purchase isn't "outdated". CMBN wont be updated for a few months and you've already had it for 3. That means that for 7+ months you will have the best that CMBN has to offer. Compare that to a 1st person shooter or RPG that has about 40-60 hours of gameplay before you finish the plot, then the game sits on your shelf. BFC have offered us a product that is virtually unlimited in hours of gameplay. And there is plenty of free content made by battle and campaign designers that, quite honestly, is a more time exhaustive effort than you may think. Nobody is paying them for their time and effort to make quality battles and campaigns.

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

Originally Posted By MengJiaoRedux (26 JUN 2012 7:35am)

 

 

I have to say the more I think about the bases of vigorously objecting to Battlefront's expansion plans, the more puzzled I become.

 

What's to figure out?

 

I paid around $65 for the latest CM relese, 3 months ago, and now I'm being told I have to pay more to update it. 

 

 

I wasn't informed of my purchase becoming outdated in such a very short time beforehand.  If you can't figure out my point, then you're too emotionally involved.

 

 

It's a game.  Of course I'm too emotionally involved.  That anyone gives even 4 seconds thought to wondering if they think anyone might have expected to be told 3 months after they bought something that they might have to buy an upgrade is just plain nutty. 

I'm just saying -- it seems odd to me that the plans for these games (which are pretty clear and very promising) get so much negativity -- I just don't get it.  I mean what would you rather happened?  they didn't tell you anything?  they didn't upgrade the game?  they didn't have a workable financial plan?  I mean when you object to something there is some implication that some other thing would have worked better -- but in this case it seems like you are getting a great deal and there's is no downside at all.

You bought the game 3 months ago and are complaining that you feel robbed

because in 3 months hence (if they make deadline) they release a different product

and therefore yours is obsolete because they do not give you the new one for free?

I just cannot feel your outrage even though you have called me and others fanboys and drones

and implied we were somehow stupid because we do not mind paying for product.

CMBN has been out for a while.  If I bought something like DW and a new module or

expansion came up would I be outraged that i just bought it and the upgrade wasn't free?

Does the new release render your game unplayable?

This is one of the downsides of the cheap games on Steam or GG everybody thinks any game

should or could be 2 bux.

There is always somebody out there who thinks HE PERSONALLY should get more for less.

Smells like Commie-nism ain't dead.  Maybe we should have gamer welfare.

Just for people who feel hard done by.

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

Originally Posted By MengJiaoRedux (26 JUN 2012 7:35am)

 

 

I have to say the more I think about the bases of vigorously objecting to Battlefront's expansion plans, the more puzzled I become.

 

What's to figure out?

 

I paid around $65 for the latest CM relese, 3 months ago, and now I'm being told I have to pay more to update it. 

 

 

I wasn't informed of my purchase becoming outdated in such a very short time beforehand.  If you can't figure out my point, then you're too emotionally involved.

 

 

So what makes you think you Have a right to have it updated with new features for free ? You and the other guy are just BF haters trolling around with your bullshit arguments - I am quite surprised that you havent yet bitched about the fact battlefront decided to make the sky F***ing blue in their game.

I personally think its great BF are simply being upfront about a paid for upgrade - everyone knows where they stand and we dont have to suffer a load of marketing BS about an upgrade dressed up as a new game.

I thought Steve said you couldn't even install any new modules for CMBN unles you pay for the upgrade first...is that correct?

Originally Posted By DBeves (26 JUN 2012 10:14am)

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

Originally Posted By MengJiaoRedux (26 JUN 2012 7:35am)

 

 

I have to say the more I think about the bases of vigorously objecting to Battlefront's expansion plans, the more puzzled I become.

 

What's to figure out?

 

I paid around $65 for the latest CM relese, 3 months ago, and now I'm being told I have to pay more to update it. 

 

 

I wasn't informed of my purchase becoming outdated in such a very short time beforehand.  If you can't figure out my point, then you're too emotionally involved.

 

 

So what makes you think you Have a right to have it updated with new features for free ? You and the other guy are just BF haters trolling around with your bullshit arguments - I am quite surprised that you havent yet bitched about the fact battlefront decided to make the sky F***ing blue in their game.

 

I personally think its great BF are simply being upfront about a paid for upgrade - everyone knows where they stand and we dont have to suffer a load of marketing BS about an upgrade dressed up as a new game.

 

 

Hundreds of gaming companies provide updates for the 'flaws' in their software for a 'long' time after their release... No-one is complaining about paying more money for 'new' content... They are complaining about being charged for 'fixes'.

If you love CM and you love BF and want to pay for updates then that is cool

If you don't like the practice and don't want to buy their product because of that, then that is also cool..

No need to call someone a 'troll' because their view is different than yours..

This is a open forum.. not like some of the manufacturer's sites.. so people should be able to express their opinion freely..

 Edited: Cause I screwed up the Quote Blocks

Originally Posted By Pak40 (26 JUN 2012 8:44am)

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

Originally Posted By MengJiaoRedux (26 JUN 2012 7:35am)

 

 

I have to say the more I think about the bases of vigorously objecting to Battlefront's expansion plans, the more puzzled I become.

 

What's to figure out?

 

I paid around $65 for the latest CM relese, 3 months ago, and now I'm being told I have to pay more to update it. 

 

 

I wasn't informed of my purchase becoming outdated in such a very short time beforehand.  If you can't figure out my point, then you're too emotionally involved.

 

 

Nefaro, be honest. You knew that when you purchased CMBN that they will release future modules. I'd be willing to bet that you planned on getting the future modules when you made your initial purchase, and you knew that you'd have to pay for them. The next module for CMBN will be upgraded to the 2.0 features, SO WHY THE F**K ARE YOU BITCHING???

 

Yes, I knew they'd release future modules.  What I didn't expect was for them to charge for updating the core game if I decide to skip a module.  Much less paying full price every other piece & part of a front, unlike the original CMs. 

That's "WHY THE F**K I'M BITCHING".  

So take your BF-blowin' Partisanship, accusations of trolling, and obscenities and stuff 'em in your BF-hole.   I'm not supporting these jackholes' increasingly foul business model any further - they had their second chance.   I'll laugh the next time your Sacred Cow further tightens the noose on you.  Have fun Battlefront dupes!  

Perhaps continuing to curse at critics will make it hurt less for you?

Originally Posted By cmurphy (26 JUN 2012 11:22am)

 

Hundreds of gaming companies provide updates for the 'flaws' in their software for a 'long' time after their release... No-one is complaining about paying more money for 'new' content... They are complaining about being charged for 'fixes'.

  

Well, the upgrade is an upgrade and is new content so all the complaints (or griping about things that haven't even happened at all yet) are groundless.

You get a new UI, new rendering routines and new map editing routines.  All new.  There really is nothing at all to complain about.

You don't even have to get the new stuff.  You can just skip upgrading CMBN (and skip the MG module and any other CMBN modules) and go straight to CMFI.  I may do this myself and just go back and get CMBNv2 in toto when the whole thing gets re-issued in a few years.  In the mean time I can play CM Bulge, CMFI and CM Ultramodern.  So there really is nothing to complain about.  look at me.  Am I complaining?  No I am not.  I'm just pointing out your options and they are all good as far as I can see. 

Originally Posted By thewood (26 JUN 2012 10:53am)

I thought Steve said you couldn't even install any new modules for CMBN unles you pay for the upgrade first...is that correct?

This seems correct.  Basically you can have CMBN in one of two modes: V1 (which is just CMBN base plus CWF) or

the V2 upgrade (which is CMBN base in V2 mode with CWF and MG and possibly an odds and ends module).

Apparently MG assumes some V2 functionality.

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 11:41am)

 Have fun Battlefront dupes!  

 

Yes, that seems like the only realistic option.

Originally Posted By cmurphy (26 JUN 2012 11:22am)

Originally Posted By DBeves (26 JUN 2012 10:14am)

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

Originally Posted By MengJiaoRedux (26 JUN 2012 7:35am)

 

 

I have to say the more I think about the bases of vigorously objecting to Battlefront's expansion plans, the more puzzled I become.

 

What's to figure out?

 

I paid around $65 for the latest CM relese, 3 months ago, and now I'm being told I have to pay more to update it. 

 

 

I wasn't informed of my purchase becoming outdated in such a very short time beforehand.  If you can't figure out my point, then you're too emotionally involved.

 

 

So what makes you think you Have a right to have it updated with new features for free ? You and the other guy are just BF haters trolling around with your bullshit arguments - I am quite surprised that you havent yet bitched about the fact battlefront decided to make the sky F***ing blue in their game.

 

I personally think its great BF are simply being upfront about a paid for upgrade - everyone knows where they stand and we dont have to suffer a load of marketing BS about an upgrade dressed up as a new game.

 

 

Hundreds of gaming companies provide updates for the 'flaws' in their software for a 'long' time after their release... No-one is complaining about paying more money for 'new' content... They are complaining about being charged for 'fixes'.

 

If you love CM and you love BF and want to pay for updates then that is cool

 

If you don't like the practice and don't want to buy their product because of that, then that is also cool..

 

No need to call someone a 'troll' because their view is different than yours..

 

This is a open forum.. not like some of the manufacturer's sites.. so people should be able to express their opinion freely..

 

 Edited: Cause I screwed up the Quote Blocks

 

 

 

Except they are not fixing flaws they are adding NEW stuff. Just keeping repeating the same old BS lies about what they are doing doesnt make it true. Fine - be a critic - but base your criticism on the reality and not troll like crap lies just cause it suits your argument and you cant make one without it. You argument is so screwed up you actually contradict yourself in your own post - or is it you simply dont know WTF you are talking about ?

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 11:41am)

Originally Posted By Pak40 (26 JUN 2012 8:44am)

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

Originally Posted By MengJiaoRedux (26 JUN 2012 7:35am)

 

 

I have to say the more I think about the bases of vigorously objecting to Battlefront's expansion plans, the more puzzled I become.

 

What's to figure out?

 

I paid around $65 for the latest CM relese, 3 months ago, and now I'm being told I have to pay more to update it. 

 

 

I wasn't informed of my purchase becoming outdated in such a very short time beforehand.  If you can't figure out my point, then you're too emotionally involved.

 

 

Nefaro, be honest. You knew that when you purchased CMBN that they will release future modules. I'd be willing to bet that you planned on getting the future modules when you made your initial purchase, and you knew that you'd have to pay for them. The next module for CMBN will be upgraded to the 2.0 features, SO WHY THE F**K ARE YOU BITCHING???

 

 

Yes, I knew they'd release future modules.  What I didn't expect was for them to charge for updating the core game if I decide to skip a module.  Much less paying full price every other piece & part of a front, unlike the original CMs. 

 

That's "WHY THE F**K I'M BITCHING".  

 

So take your BF-blowin' Partisanship, accusations of trolling, and obscenities and stuff 'em in your BF-hole.   I'm not supporting these jackholes' increasingly foul business model any further - they had their second chance.   I'll laugh the next time your Sacred Cow further tightens the noose on you.  Have fun Battlefront dupes!  

 

Perhaps continuing to curse at critics will make it hurt less for you?

 

 

Woopy doo ... but you still fail to answer completely WHY you think you should get your upgraded game for nothing ... you have the game you originally paid for and it is still what you paid for - why the hell do you think you are entitled to have every bell and wistle they add for the next ten years for nothing ?

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

Originally Posted By Pak40 (26 JUN 2012 8:44am)

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

Originally Posted By MengJiaoRedux (26 JUN 2012 7:35am)

 

 

I have to say the more I think about the bases of vigorously objecting to Battlefront's expansion plans, the more puzzled I become.

 

What's to figure out?

 

I paid around $65 for the latest CM relese, 3 months ago, and now I'm being told I have to pay more to update it. 

 

 

I wasn't informed of my purchase becoming outdated in such a very short time beforehand.  If you can't figure out my point, then you're too emotionally involved.

 

 

Nefaro, be honest. You knew that when you purchased CMBN that they will release future modules. I'd be willing to bet that you planned on getting the future modules when you made your initial purchase, and you knew that you'd have to pay for them. The next module for CMBN will be upgraded to the 2.0 features, SO WHY THE F**K ARE YOU BITCHING???

 

 

Yes, I knew they'd release future modules.  What I didn't expect was for them to charge for updating the core game if I decide to skip a module.  Much less paying full price every other piece & part of a front, unlike the original CMs. 

 

Wow, you're bitching about $5 or $10 for an upgrade that they spent time and money on to develop. I can't believe people are so petty.

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

So take your BF-blowin' Partisanship, accusations of trolling, and obscenities and stuff 'em in your BF-hole.   I'm not supporting these jackholes' increasingly foul business model any further - they had their second chance.   I'll laugh the next time your Sacred Cow further tightens the noose on you.  Have fun Battlefront dupes!  

 

Perhaps continuing to curse at critics will make it hurt less for you?

 

 

Get a life. CMBN was released well over a year ago. I suppose you're special since you decided to wait so long to buy it and now you feel like you've been cheated that they're actually upgrading the very product you delayed to buy. Your logic is as flawed as attitude.

There's no BF-blowin' Partisonship and I never accused you of trolling. BTW, as pointed out by everyone else on this board, just about every other software developer in existence charges for upgrades to software. You're appearently the only person that doesn't realize it. Matrix, CIV, Microsoft, Valve, etc...  And those are big developers, not a small indie developer like BF.

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 7:44am)

 

What's to figure out?

 

I paid around $65 for the latest CM relese, 3 months ago, and now I'm being told I have to pay more to update it.

 
I wasn't informed of my purchase becoming outdated in such a very short time beforehand.  If you can't figure out my point, then you're too emotionally involved.

 

And? Do you expect that upgrade to be free? You do realize the product you have works as advertised correct? You don't have to update it, it will still work as advertised no matter what. I think almost all players of the series(except you of course...) are happy to have the opportunity to keep it current with the latest engine.

Originally Posted By Nefaro (26 JUN 2012 11:41am)

 

Yes, I knew they'd release future modules.  What I didn't expect was for them to charge for updating the core game if I decide to skip a module.  Much less paying full price every other piece & part of a front, unlike the original CMs. 

 

That's "WHY THE F**K I'M BITCHING".  

 

So take your BF-blowin' Partisanship, accusations of trolling, and obscenities and stuff 'em in your BF-hole.   I'm not supporting these jackholes' increasingly foul business model any further - they had their second chance.   I'll laugh the next time your Sacred Cow further tightens the noose on you.  Have fun Battlefront dupes!  

 

Perhaps continuing to curse at critics will make it hurt less for you?

 

 

Don't flatter yourself. Being a critic implies a modicum of intelligence in actually, you know, thinking on something. All you have shown here are the tantrums of a spoiled child who doesn't get what he thinks he deserves and has been called on it by the community. Grow up and good riddance.

Originally Posted By cmurphy (26 JUN 2012 11:22am)

 

Hundreds of gaming companies provide updates for the 'flaws' in their software for a 'long' time after their release... No-one is complaining about paying more money for 'new' content... They are complaining about being charged for 'fixes'.

 

If you love CM and you love BF and want to pay for updates then that is cool

 

If you don't like the practice and don't want to buy their product because of that, then that is also cool..

 

No need to call someone a 'troll' because their view is different than yours..

 

This is a open forum.. not like some of the manufacturer's sites.. so people should be able to express their opinion freely..

 

 Edited: Cause I screwed up the Quote Blocks

 

 

So let me get this straight, according to you then what BFC are calling 'new features and content' for the new engine you seem to believe are really 'fixes' that should be free? That is the crux of your argument?