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| 24 AUG 2004 at 9:29pm |
OJsDadCommander
Posts : 1440
Joined: 5 AUG 2004
Location: US, Ohio
Status : Offline | Victoria is pretty good now. I would recommend one of the VIP mod. One thing about Paradox games, they're easy to mod.
The Civ series has a lot more details as far as building your country. In Victoria, you can build factories, build 5 levels of railroads (which affect factory and natural resource production only), there are some social and polital options you can change. You have a research tree to get better military tech, economic, and industrial techs.
You can pause the game at any time, and still make changes to your country.
This was Paradox's most complicated game to date. They didn't take it as far as Civ, but further than their other games. I wish they would have gotten it more like Civ. I'am like you and like turn based games like CIV and MOO better than realtime, but with the lower level of detail in Victoria, it works well. I would give it a 3.5 out of 5, and a strong 4 with the VIP mod.
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| 24 AUG 2004 at 10:00pm |
Pie4FooCenturion
Posts : 424
Joined: 28 OCT 2003
Status : Online | Just in case you've not seen it: http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/victoria/
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| 24 AUG 2004 at 11:42pm |
NefaroColonel
Posts : 4641
Joined: 6 OCT 2003
Status : Offline | I almost fell asleep after jacking with the huge amount of resources and supplies. I wanted to run a country, not be a freakin' supply sergeant. *snore*
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| 25 AUG 2004 at 9:33am |
maceCenturion
Posts : 135
Joined: 9 JUN 2004
Status : Online | My sentiments exactly, Nefaro. Micromanagement is why I have written twice to Paradox. I suggested they improve the AI to take care of the mundane chores and let me concentrate on leadership decisions. Matrix produces similar detailed games but gives you the option to play as a quartermaster or statesman.
The Wargamer review Chris mentions above should be required reading for anyone before they tackle this game. I like the Victoriam Era but I want to be Gladstone , Gordon or Woolsely not the Finance minister.
Patched or not I will not take another chance on a Paradox game like this. HOI-1 was enough for me.
Tim McCoy
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| 25 AUG 2004 at 8:05pm |
QueegCenturion
Posts : 606
Joined: 27 MAR 2007
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Status : Offline | I enjoy Victoria. It's probably my favorite Paradox game. It combines some of the better aspects of HOI - particularly the military model - with the diplomatic options and historical flavor of EUII. Although the initial release was buggy, the game currently is very stable and quite fun. It probably is more complex than EUII but it has grown on me as I have spent more time with it. At times, mostly depending on my mood, I enjoy it even more than EUII. I especially like the time period and the game does a good job of capturing the sorts of political and social issues that distinguish the era.
As for micromanagement, I guess like most things it's in the eye of the beholder. You do have to build your economy and your military and implement the social reforms that your citizens will demand over time (after all, the game models the age of social reform), all of which can be a challenge. The game does have a learning curve and requires an investment of time, but I don't find the game especially burdensome once you get the hang of it. No worse than having to give orders to sixty or so different units every turn in Civ3 - just depends on whether the end result interests you, which it does for me in Victoria.
Some of the economic and political aspects of the game still have some kinks to be worked out, but the game is great fun at present. The Wargamer review is balanced and should give you a good idea if Victoria is a game you would enjoy, though I would add that most of the more serious problems mentioned in the review have since been addressed in patches.
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| 27 AUG 2004 at 2:37am |
kellysheroesCommander
Posts : 1722
Joined: 29 OCT 2003
Status : Online | It's worth under $10 if you like this sort of game, Amazon.com had it for $9.95 in June or July, now it's back up to retail again. You can find it for under $30 easy and if you try here:
http://search.ebay.com/victoria_Games_W0QQcatrefZC3QQfromZR2QQsacategoryZ62053
Probably get it under $20 or $10. It was their worst game release to date, got very low review scores from the masters and is really a pretty boring time in history unless you like "financial" micromangement games and less wargame.
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| 30 AUG 2004 at 12:20pm |
PraetorCenturion
Posts : 129
Joined: 27 MAY 2004
Status : Online | Its got some great idea's but I think it wasn't implemented well, not to mention the game quite frankly shouldn't of been released as early as it was.
In my first game as Venezula i became a great power by the late 19th century.
In my second as Peru I was the most powerful naval power on the planet in 1.0 victoria and made japan, malaysia and part of papa new guinea my colonial holding. Oh and when the first world war kicked off I ended up in a titantic struggle with me (peru) and my allies Bolivia, what remained of colombia (a satellite state of mine)Chile and Argentina vs Brazil, Mexico, france and the united kingdom
Patched its now far more of a challenge but i find as the minor nations your simply dragging along waiting for a chance to get hold of machinary parts to build factories with so you can own an army bigger then 3 divisions and 3 National reserve divisions
Also countries like Russia should have huge problems but instead seems to turn into a manpower pumping superpower which can swamp europe with millions of troops and colonise most of the world within several decades
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| 2 SEP 2004 at 1:29pm |
Troy GoodfellowCenturion
Posts : 27
Joined: 2 SEP 2004
Status : Online | Victoria is just too overwhelming to be much fun for me. It's great for a short play session, but you are so limited in opening moves (only a few thinks actually make sense) that the sense of a world of diverse nations is completely lost. This was the one where Paradox just crammed too much into a game and made it frustrating to find out anything. In this day and age, I shouldn't have to click down five menus to find out why my people are upset.
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